scribbler Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) I've said it once and I'll say it again. They are all developing unless they have made world champion which, s the highest you can get to. I'd say that some of the older riders are turning out as negatives - rather than developing (photography analogy ). They've been in the PL and are now back down to the NL. A max of two experienced riders on the way down, 3 fairly experienced riders on the way up, and two rookies would be the ideal team build IMHO. Edited August 12, 2014 by scribbler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I'd say that some of the older riders are turning out as negatives - rather than developing (photography analogy ). They've been in the PL and are now back down to the NL. A max of two experienced riders on the way down, 3 fairly experienced riders on the way up, and two rookies would be the ideal team build IMHO. That sounds very sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I've said it once and I'll say it again. They are all developing unless they have made world champion which, s the highest you can get to. Would you have applied that description to Jack Parker, regarded my many historians as England's greatest ever rider but never a world champion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Gustix that's not really the crux of the argument. It's whether, come Heat 11 & 13, with all three points in the bag and a big win already assured, whether you should use the No 8 or not. And if not, why name him as No 8 in the first place? All the best Rob That last question is the crucial one for me. Can't see any reason to name a number 8 if you have no intention to use him. Given the ease of the home win, it's clear there were no circumstances where they would have used him, other than injuries.Its not like football where youngsters used to get named in the squad just to get a taste of the match day experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 That last question is the crucial one for me. Can't see any reason to name a number 8 if you have no intention to use him. Given the ease of the home win, it's clear there were no circumstances where they would have used him, other than injuries. Its not like football where youngsters used to get named in the squad just to get a taste of the match day experience. I'm not familiar with him but if hr didn't win a world title then hr still had something to aim for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I've said it once and I'll say it again. They are all developing unless they have made world champion which, s the highest you can get to. All developing? alot are i agree but to say they all are is simply not true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 That last question is the crucial one for me. Can't see any reason to name a number 8 if you have no intention to use him. Given the ease of the home win, it's clear there were no circumstances where they would have used him, other than injuries. Its not like football where youngsters used to get named in the squad just to get a taste of the match day experience. I'm not familiar with him but if hr didn't win a world title then hr still had something to aim for ???? I don't understand how the reply fits in with the previous quote. I suppose, as usual, that I am missing something...? There are "my followers" who I know willl "put me right!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 ???? I don't understand how the reply fits in with the previous quote. I suppose, as usual, that I am missing something...? There are "my followers" who I know willl "put me right!" You are quite right I hit the wrong quote button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 You are quite right I hit the wrong quote button. I thought you had. Not to worry. I think you meant my comment in regard to the legendary Jack Parker never winning a world title (although I think he may have won the unofficial/not recognised (make your own choice here) world championships that were staged at the Buffalo Stadium, Paris, in the early 1930s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) All developing? alot are i agree but to say they all are is simply not true Not everyone can be world champion. My point was that from the amatueur meetings through the leagues until you reach the pinnacle everyone be it NL PL EL International comp. Everyone has a potential to develop. So to say NL only is development Is incorrect. Edited August 13, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Not everyone can be world champion. My point was that from the amatueur meetings through the leagues until you reach the pinnacle everyone be it NL PL EL International comp. Everyone has a potential to develop. So to say NL only is development Is incorrect. But the NL is the only league that the SCB recognises as a development league... Page 50 of the SCB Speedway Regulations... 19. NATIONAL LEAGUE MEETING REGULATIONS Known as the National League, it's official name is the National Development League to clarify that this is the entry level league dedicated to the training and development of young home grown riders. IMHO those teams using too many experienced riders are not following the regulations. Scunthorpe is not breaking the regulations but - as I stated yesterday - all teams could be more balanced by having a maximum of 2 experienced riders, 3 riders gaining more experience, and 2 rookies. (the poor grammar and punctuation comes from the SCB - not me ) Edited August 13, 2014 by scribbler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlegang Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Pop down to CP and witness what David Mason is doing with our young inexperienced riders. Whilst you are there, come and enjoy Simon Lambert on bends 3 and 4. He is currently injured for around 3 more weeks (through no fault of his own). With a bit of luck he won't need NL next season so you PL and EL lovers can enjoy all of him #go-on-the-lammy. Oh, and as for Benji Compton - he is back to his best after an injury and financial issues. His reward?: Poole EL draft rider at reserve. BYW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Pop down to CP and witness what David Mason is doing with our young inexperienced riders. Whilst you are there, come and enjoy Simon Lambert on bends 3 and 4. He is currently injured for around 3 more weeks (through no fault of his own). With a bit of luck he won't need NL next season so you PL and EL lovers can enjoy all of him #go-on-the-lammy. Oh, and as for Benji Compton - he is back to his best after an injury and financial issues. His reward?: Poole EL draft rider at reserve. BYW. But Mason, Baseby, Compton and/or Lambert in the same team is a bit excessive don't you think? Mason + one other experienced rider is much more balanced IMHO. PS. I'd love to pop down to Kent - but I physically couldn't manage it. We have a wedding to attend in Kent November 1st and I will need to stay for 2 or 3 nights to be able to cope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 His reward?: Poole EL draft rider at reserve. AKA the poisoned chalice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Oh, and as for Benji Compton - he is back to his best after an injury and financial issues. His reward?: Poole EL draft rider at reserve. BYW. If you think that Benji being offered a place in the Poole team is a good thing you have no idea how the EL is run - and how Matt Ford works. As for Benji being fast tracked... he was in the CL in 2005 - 9 years ago . I really don't think that he will ever be in the EL other than as a FT reserve. He's being used... The fast track reserves should be young riders with the potential to improve. Lee Smart was Poole's first FT reserve this season... and Brendan Johnson has just been moved out of the team to make way for Benji Compton. If anything rider's confidences are being harmed. Lee Smart (I think) retired from speedway after being replaced in the Poole team.... Edited August 13, 2014 by scribbler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlegang Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 But Mason, Baseby, Compton and/or Lambert in the same team is a bit excessive don't you think? Mason + one other experienced rider is much more balanced IMHO. PS. I'd love to pop down to Kent - but I physically couldn't manage it. We have a wedding to attend in Kent November 1st and I will need to stay for 2 or 3 nights to be able to cope. Yes it might be. But don't forget we are only in our second season, and if the management were to do a Scunthorpe, they would probably not keep the crowds required (although I would attend). Since the beginning, the management have given plenty of youngsters a chance - but for whatever reason, most have not made it and been moved on. Kirby, Woods, Coles, Harris. Yes, we could do with another 4 or 5 like Jack Kingston, but for now, we have 5 guys in their mid-twenties. They are all improving so why shouldn't they have a team place? p.s. No Speedway in November! AKA the poisoned chalice. It might turn out to be but wouldn't you take your chance?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikko Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) The reason Adam is named as No 8 is known to anyone who knows what goes on at Central Park. His mum does the photos there this season and Adam is given the No 8 spot, with no intention of using him, unless through injury, with the chance of a second half every now and then. Adam is nowhere near NDL level, and probably never will be but its easy for the promotion to have them there as a No 8 for free, Hope that settles that debate. But the NL is the only league that the SCB recognises as a development league... Page 50 of the SCB Speedway Regulations... 19. NATIONAL LEAGUE MEETING REGULATIONS Known as the National League, it's official name is the National Development League to clarify that this is the entry level league dedicated to the training and development of young home grown riders. IMHO those teams using too many experienced riders are not following the regulations. Scunthorpe is not breaking the regulations but - as I stated yesterday - all teams could be more balanced by having a maximum of 2 experienced riders, 3 riders gaining more experience, and 2 rookies. (the poor grammar and punctuation comes from the SCB - not me ) I know one person at Central Park who will still disagree with this, even though its in the rulebook. He has always stated its never been called "Development" although we all know it has and have been trying to tell him that for years. Problem is, he never listens and always thinks he's right. Probably why he gets on so well with Mr Silver LOL Edited August 13, 2014 by Nikko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 The reason Adam is named as No 8 is known to anyone who knows what goes on at Central Park. His mum does the photos there this season and Adam is given the No 8 spot, with no intention of using him, unless through injury, with the chance of a second half every now and then. Adam is nowhere near NDL level, and probably never will be but its easy for the promotion to have them there as a No 8 for free, Hope that settles that debate. I know one person who will still disagree with this, even though its in the rulebook. He has always stated its never been called "Development" although we all know it has How sad - especially for the mother and son to be abused this way . It still is the NDL. I've quoted directly from the SCB regulations pdf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Whistle Gang Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 And there was me thinking this thread was about the Kent vs Scunthorpe meeting. Look guys, you are just going to have to learn to live with your violent objections to the way Messrs Cearns and Silver run things at Central Park. Why? Because there are hundreds of us who gratefully turn up each week, pay our money, watch our speedway, and go home happy. In this forum we have no real option but to read your bilious spewings. Feel sorry for us if you wish, but come 6:30pm every Monday night throughout the summer, nobody gives your bitterness and negativity a second thought in that stadium. I can't begin to tell you how much that pleases me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 And there was me thinking this thread was about the Kent vs Scunthorpe meeting. Look guys, you are just going to have to learn to live with your violent objections to the way Messrs Cearns and Silver run things at Central Park. Why? Because there are hundreds of us who gratefully turn up each week, pay our money, watch our speedway, and go home happy. In this forum we have no real option but to read your bilious spewings. Feel sorry for us if you wish, but come 6:30pm every Monday night throughout the summer, nobody gives your bitterness and negativity a second thought in that stadium. I can't begin to tell you how much that pleases me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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