lucifer sam Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I would suggest to Adam Shepherd that slagging off the promotion on his web site is not the way to get future rides at Kent.... but improving performance would be.. There is no obligation to use a no 8 and the management probably wanted to ensure their regular team members had a good pay day to help maintain their bikes... Seems to be a bit of understandable frustration on his part. As for an "improving performance", how's he supposed to deliver this, without being out on the racetrack? All the best Rob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Made me laugh Shadders your right of course,, but what was i supposed to call them old men,or ageing lads ,,or maybe big girls,,Jesus what you get picked up on ... I would suggest to Adam Shepherd that slagging off the promotion on his web site is not the way to get future rides at Kent.... but improving performance would be.. There is no obligation to use a no 8 and the management probably wanted to ensure their regular team members had a good pay day to help maintain their bikes... Go back a couple of Posts and you will see some comments about Adam Sheppard that probably/hopefully answer your query? Like you, ! was surprised when I read his own website Posts. 'How to win friends and influence people" as the old saying goes. Seems to be a bit of understandable frustration on his part. As for an "improving performance", how's he supposed to deliver this, without being out on the racetrack? All the best Rob Perhaps by doing well in the three after-the-meetings rides he was offered and, to put it frankly, "seems to have ballsed up!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim the whipper Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Seems to be a bit of understandable frustration on his part. As for an "improving performance", how's he supposed to deliver this, without being out on the racetrack? All the best Rob Start winning MDL races , and equally as important finishing them and taking part in ALL his programmed rides . stop thinking that all you have to do is turn up to get a team place . his sisters boyfriend is not Tai Woffinden and this is Kent we are talking about not Scunthorpe , so he shouldn't expect anything handed on a plate . if he wants it he will have to earn it like 99% of other kids do . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Adam Sheppard is not of a good enough standard to be riding in the National League . he cannot string 2 decent races together in the MDL , so why would any team be throwing opportunities at him ? speedway at this level should not be run on sympathy votes .if you cant cut it you dont get it IMHO. As for those clamouring for Shepherd to ride in the meeting,, he had 3 opportunities to ride in the second half and pulled up a mile behind another lad think his name was Cousins not sure ? who looked a far better prospect,, then Shepherd failed to appear for his other two opportunities... The reasons why Adam Sheppard did not get a ride in the match appear fairly conclusive. I remember times when young riders used to hopefully turn up uninvited at tracks, change into race gear and prepare bike, just in the hope that a space MIGHT happen in the second-half so they could get a ride. And they would do tis meeting after meeting before an opportunity came. But then, aspirant speedway riders had "to do their own thing" - no spoon feeding in those days. I think there is too much focus on youth these days. I think there is too much focus on youth these days. Modern day speedway sadly would have no place for the likes of Tom Oakley, Harold MacNaughton, Geoff Pymar and Wal Morton. The first two didn't start in speedway until their late 30s while the last two were still active for more than 30 years and riding into their early fifties. And then there was Jimmy Squibb - ad infinitum. Edited August 12, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 "Words of Wisdom" elsewhere on the BSF about this thread. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=77422 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Like you, ! was surprised when I read his own website Posts. 'How to win friends and influence people" as the old saying goes. Frustration can be a beast not helped by the modern day instant social media. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Whistle Gang Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Why are we so hung up on Adam Sheppard right now? There's no obligation on management to offer rides to him. If he objects to his treatment at Kent, he is free to try his luck elsewhere (similar situation to AJ really). Also, Speedway is an expensive business to run, even at NL level. No promotion will survive on rider development alone so to suggest that Kent should have a different philosophy is ludicrous. Scunthorpe Stags are there for the taking; everyone else has taken full advantage of that so why shouldn't we. If we took it easy against them and missed out on the play offs simply because one of our rivals scored more against the Stags than us, I would go <word deleted> ballistic. Nearly forgot to mention that we button-holed Graham Miles in the car park after the meeting. Finally got the chance to thank the Red Knight for all the thrills at Kingsmead. Top bloke - got his autograph too! Edited August 12, 2014 by 1st Bend Bunching 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel1 Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Kent Kings R/R = 11 = 1. Adam Sheppard (number 8) DNR... How many years experience of riding do Baseby, Mason and Compton (and Lambert - when he's fit) have between them? I'd rather watch youngsters than has beens. Poor Sheppard - wanting to ride, but having to watch as other riders took extra rides. He could have had experience riding with experienced riders and against riders he may be on par with. Sadly scribbler I was of your opinion, yet when Adam came out for a practice with young Couzens he rode a couple of laps and retired because he was not happy with the track! I know he has recently come back off an injury but if you want to get on you have to master these tracks and there had been a full meeting ridden with only one real incident, nuff said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Kent Kings R/R = 11 = 1. Adam Sheppard (number 8) DNR... How many years experience of riding do Baseby, Mason and Compton (and Lambert - when he's fit) have between them? I'd rather watch youngsters than has beens. Poor Sheppard - wanting to ride, but having to watch as other riders took extra rides. He could have had experience riding with experienced riders and against riders he may be on par with. Do you classify the riders named in the first quote as "has beens?" I certainly don't for my part - all good experienced men serving up "worth to pay admission money speedway racing. Many years ago (at least 60!!) I remember reading a quote by the legendary Jack Parker: it was something to the effect that "better to be a has-been than a never-wasser!" Edited August 12, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Do you classify the riders named in the first quote as "has beens?" I certainly don't for my part - all good experienced men serving up "worth to pay admission money speedway racing. Many years ago (at least 60!!) I remember reading a quote by the legendary Jack Parker: it was something to the effect that "better to be a has-been than a never-wasser!" With all due respect to David Mason, but he isn't Jack Parker. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) With all due respect to David Mason, but he isn't Jack Parker. All the best Rob Thanks Rob. I understand the point you are making. I made the reference to show that overall in his career David Mason had made some significant achievements. Sadly from his point of view, so far Adam Sheppard has never achieved anything similar so far to Mason and one must ponder "is he going to?" Here's a resume of Mason's early career as on his website. More details of later seasons also appear on there if you care to search. If in a Mason-Sheppard comparison I thinl it's safe to say the latter still has "a fair way to go" to get anywhere near to it? http://www.davidmasonracing.co.uk/about.html Edited August 12, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 'How to win friends and influence people" as the old saying goes. Any other poster on this forum and it just wouldn't be funny.......but that gave me a real belly laugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Do you classify the riders named in the first quote as "has beens?" I certainly don't for my part - all good experienced men serving up "worth to pay admission money speedway racing. Many years ago (at least 60!!) I remember reading a quote by the legendary Jack Parker: it was something to the effect that "better to be a has-been than a never-wasser!" They were good enough for the Conference League, when grading was used and the years ridden and age of the rider were taken into consideration. Older, experienced riders were 'expensive' because they used up points when calculating the points limit of any team. You had to have a better mix of riders within a team. But this is the National Development League - better known as the National League. Mason and others have developed in the Conference League and back to the National League. I enjoyed watching riders progress. I admit I was spoiled because I watched Tai, Josh, Joe, Tully and others - even Benji - progress to the PL, and some to the EL. They moved to other clubs - but I still enjoyed 'keeping tabs' on their progress because I had seen them take their first steps in their career. Seeing 'old-timers didn't have the same interest for me. Perhaps I'm unusual - but I'm OK with that. I have no interest in the EL. The PL is better - but my favourite is NL/NDL. Sadly my disabilities prevent me from attending meetings nowadays - but they don't stop me from maintaining my interest in the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Thanks Rob. I understand the point you are making. I made the reference to show that overall in his career David Mason had made some significant achievements. Sadly from his point of view, so far Adam Sheppard has never achieved anything similar so far to Mason and one must ponder "is he going to?" Here's a resume of Mason's early career as on his website. More details of later seasons also appear on there if you care to search. If in a Mason-Sheppard comparison I thinl it's safe to say the latter still has "a fair way to go" to get anywhere near to it? http://www.davidmasonracing.co.uk/about.html Gustix that's not really the crux of the argument. It's whether, come Heat 11 & 13, with all three points in the bag and a big win already assured, whether you should use the No 8 or not. And if not, why name him as No 8 in the first place? All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Go back a couple of Posts and you will see some comments about Adam Sheppard that probably/hopefully answer your query? Like you, ! was surprised when I read his own website Posts. 'How to win friends and influence people" as the old saying goes. Any other poster on this forum and it just wouldn't be funny.......but that gave me a real belly laugh Good evening. I only said earlier today to a speedway friend visitor that I wondered when you would turn up. He's won a small wager - he said that it would be within 10 hours. Where's the rest of "the gang"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) But this is the National Development League I've said it once and I'll say it again. They are all developing unless they have made world champion which, s the highest you can get to. Edited August 12, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 The ins and outs of the strength of Scunthorpe's side and what the National League is there for in terms of developing riders etc can be discussed in length here and on every other thread in this section of the forum until everyone is blue in the face and there will still not be one comprehensive answer. I will dare to put forward a suggestion however, one that I am pretty certain is the correct one too and that is simply that the Kings didn't use their number eight even when the meeting was settled because they are in the midst of a battle to qualify for the play-offs, a battle which may well come down to race points difference. The points they gained by using other 1-5 members to take Simon Lambert's rides as opposed to a number eight could well be the difference between play-off qualification or the end of their season come the cut off date. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) The ins and outs of the strength of Scunthorpe's side and what the National League is there for in terms of developing riders etc can be discussed in length here and on every other thread in this section of the forum until everyone is blue in the face and there will still not be one comprehensive answer. I will dare to put forward a suggestion however, one that I am pretty certain is the correct one too and that is simply that the Kings didn't use their number eight even when the meeting was settled because they are in the midst of a battle to qualify for the play-offs, a battle which may well come down to race points difference. The points they gained by using other 1-5 members to take Simon Lambert's rides as opposed to a number eight could well be the difference between play-off qualification or the end of their season come the cut off date. That looks a logical explanation to me but I am certain there are those who will disagree because they can't resist hounding me. Edited August 12, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 It won't come down to race points. There's going to be four clear qualifiers. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 It won't come down to race points. There's going to be four clear qualifiers. All the best Rob And The 4 will be Storm, Mildenhall, Kent and Cradley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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