Kent V Scunthorpe Mon 11th Aug 6-30 Pm

[blueherb777]

And you don't think that we might all be equally fed up with your literally non-stop attacks on everything to do with the Kent Kings?

 

Ha ha , really glad you enjoy my postings.Never mind,fly away Blackbird,fly away.

[Guest]

And you don't think that we might all be equally fed up with your literally non-stop attacks on everything to do with the Kent Kings?

 

 

 

Ha ha , really glad you enjoy my postings.Never mind,fly away Blackbird,fly away.

Here you go again! Try winding up clocks and not people who commentate on here.

Edited August 11, 2014 by Guest

[blueherb777]

 

 

Here you again! Try winding up clocks and not people who commentate on here.

 

Ha Ha you should be a comedian.

[jim the whipper]

If I were a national league promoter I would refuse to promote the meeting , simple enough concede the points and either put on a challenge against worthy oppostition , or an individual meeting ,

[Guest]

If I were a national league promoter I would refuse to promote the meeting , simple enough concede the points and either put on a challenge against worthy oppostition , or an individual meeting ,

 

If the policy being used by Scunthorpe in regard to team make-up is to be accepted by all NL tracks - all well and good. But if it is to be teams of novices then charges for admission SURELY need to be dramatically reduced.

All I can say it looks as though National League speedway is considering - in some places - heading for the lowest common denominator.

It's far too involved to go into details on here but as one who first saw speedway at New Cross in 1946, as I reflect I can see so many places where speedway has lost its way, especially in the pst 25 year. It's almost as if somewhere a self-destruction slow button has been turned on. And the big bang may be sooner than we expect.

Edited August 11, 2014 by Guest

[blueherb777]

 

If the policy being used by Scunthorpe in regard to team make-up is to be accepted by all NL tracks - all well and good. But if it is to be teams of novices then charges for admission SURELY need to be dramatically reduced.

All I can say it looks as though National League speedway is considering - in some places - heading for the lowest common denominator.

It's far too involved to go into details on here but as one who first saw speedway at New Cross in 1946, as I reflect I can see so many places where speedway has lost its way, especially in the pst 25 year. It's almost as if somewhere a self-destruction slow button has been turned on. And the big bang may be sooner than we expect.

 

That is what I posted earlier and you just gave a smart **** reply ?

Me thinks you are talking double standards.

Edited August 11, 2014 by AJ is King

[Guest]

 

If the policy being used by Scunthorpe in regard to team make-up is to be accepted by all NL tracks - all well and good. But if it is to be teams of novices then charges for admission SURELY need to be dramatically reduced.

All I can say it looks as though National League speedway is considering - in some places - heading for the lowest common denominator.

It's far too involved to go into details on here but as one who first saw speedway at New Cross in 1946, as I reflect I can see so many places where speedway has lost its way, especially in the pst 25 year. It's almost as if somewhere a self-destruction slow button has been turned on. And the big bang may be sooner than we expect.

 

 

 

That is what I posted earlier and you just gave a smart **** reply ?

Me thinks you are talking double standards.

 

Perhaps it's because I didn't previously read "your golden words". By the way, if that's the case, where did you stand at New Cross in the 1946 season?

[blueherb777]

 

 

 

Perhaps it's because I didn't previously read "your golden words". By the way, if that's the case, where did you stand at New Cross in the 1946 season?

 

1) You read them because you replied ?

2) What has standing at New Cross got to do with it ?

3) I wish I had/could have seen the Rangers as I would have supported them ( due to the fact I went next door regularly/and still go to the new ground !

4) I think tonight ( I know it is not possible because of curfew) and Buxton should be a double header and charge for 1 meeting.

[Ommer Mon]

I hope the Scunny lads have improved and can put on a show tonight but I suspect a run away home win is on the cards.

 

I know we're used to high scores at Cradley but at least some of the races have been competitive. With the exception of Moggo junior and a generous race declaration by the Ref it would have been a clean sweep at Cradley and my overriding concern remains that this is doing nothing to develop the lads in the Scunny team.

 

I know Montie and Lucifer Sam will probably disagree but this extreme approach to team building has to be prevented next year by the introduction of a minimum points limit to prevent such fixtures.

 

Hope Scunny prove me wrong and as I've said before this is nothing againt the lads in the team. I just feel the promotion have let them down by simply throwing them out there on track to see what happens.

 

As someone pointed out earlier Scunny have produced the current World Champion, and I give them full credit for that and the other riders they have produced, but that was not in a set up like this.

[jim the whipper]

I hope the Scunny lads have improved and can put on a show tonight but I suspect a run away home win is on the cards.

 

I know we're used to high scores at Cradley but at least some of the races have been competitive. With the exception of Moggo junior and a generous race declaration by the Ref it would have been a clean sweep at Cradley and my overriding concern remains that this is doing nothing to develop the lads in the Scunny team.

 

I know Montie and Lucifer Sam will probably disagree but this extreme approach to team building has to be prevented next year by the introduction of a minimum points limit to prevent such fixtures.

 

Hope Scunny prove me wrong and as I've said before this is nothing againt the lads in the team. I just feel the promotion have let them down by simply throwing them out there on track to see what happens.

 

As someone pointed out earlier Scunny have produced the current World Champion, and I give them full credit for that and the other riders they have produced, but that was not in a set up like this.

From looking at the averages on BSPA site . the riders averages have not improved at all . you could believe if you were that way inclined that Danno Verge for instance has Improved , but he has not. He is no longer 3 points by virtue of collecting guaranteed points . 3rd places and others where riders fall or ef , Steve Jones average has dropped from 5.58 to 4.00 so the team average has actually dropped since March . Scunthorpe as a promotion have profited from this exercise , since they have been collecting extra revenue from charging people who would not go if it were just NL extra for double headers , whereas all other promotions have lost when people stay away from one sided thrashings of basicly an amateur team and having to pay their own riders for 60+points . The actual damage as far as new and improving riders goes will not be seen until the minimum points rule gets put in place this winter to prevent farcical teams being tracked , and as a side effect closes the door on any team taking a risk on a new rider for fear of falling foul of the new minimum which was brought in to protect clubs who are not playing poker with the lowest division and most likely wont be affected by the new rule because they wont be running a NL team . one thing for sure if tonights meeting goes ahead . a one armed man could count on his fingers, with some to spare the amount of "Paying" Scunthorpe support attending

[whistlegang]

anybody got eyes in Sittingbourne - what's the weather like over there?

[lucifer sam]

Blimey, can't this thread stay as Kent vs Scunthorpe, rather then relative strengths of the NL teams yet again (although Scunny now only have two 3.00 men, the rest have increased from that). The other promoters voted Scunthorpe in, after the original press release where it stated Stags were intending to track six rookies - the other tracks knew what they were getting, but still welcomed Scunny in.

 

But can't we discuss tonight's meeting instead?

 

I'm really interested to see, in particular, how Reece Downes fares at No 4. He's a got sensible head on his shoulders, so I think he'll take it in his stride. And can Arron Mogridge mix it again with riders with a lot more speedway experience? Cradley seemed to think they were going to whitewash us, but Moggo Jnr had other ideas.

 

All the best

Rob

Edited August 11, 2014 by lucifer sam

[Fozzie4388]

In a league that is meant to be used by youngsters as a stepping stone to Premier then Elite league racing, It's such a shame that folk would rather see the likes of Lambert, Mason, Compton, Halsey, Armstrong, Starke, Cockle who have all been riding for 5 or more even 10 in some cases at this level rather then support and back the youngsters coming through. This is a big reason why British speedway is dying on it's arse. The youngsters get no backing from the Authorities or the fans.

 

Anyway back to tonights meeting Good Luck to the Stags who will give it 100% no shadow of a doubt.

[Alan_Jones]

The youngsters get no backing from the Authorities or the fans.

 

A BSPA backed, well sponsored, 6 round, 4 class, 40-odd rider Under 15 Championship series with 500 people at the Eastbourne round would suggest things aren't quite that bad.

[Fozzie4388]

 

A BSPA backed, well sponsored, 6 round, 4 class, 40-odd rider Under 15 Championship series with 500 people at the Eastbourne round would suggest things aren't quite that bad.

 

1 World Champion in Near 15 years and No Team World Cup in 25 years suggest otherwise.

[Alan_Jones]

 

1 World Champion in Near 15 years and No Team World Cup in 25 years suggest otherwise.

 

Wrongly, as in your previous statement.

[scribbler]

 

A BSPA backed, well sponsored, 6 round, 4 class, 40-odd rider Under 15 Championship series with 500 people at the Eastbourne round would suggest things aren't quite that bad.

 

And which teams will give any of those 40 under 15 year old riders a chance when they become old enough for the NL?

[westhamboy66]

Hopefully the weather is ok, looking forward to see Scunthorpe and their raw kids, best wishes to them, grass roots speedway as it is meant to be

[Guest]

In a league that is meant to be used by youngsters as a stepping stone to Premier then Elite league racing, It's such a shame that folk would rather see the likes of Lambert, Mason, Compton, Halsey, Armstrong, Starke, Cockle who have all been riding for 5 or more even 10 in some cases at this level rather then support and back the youngsters coming through. This is a big reason why British speedway is dying on it's arse. The youngsters get no backing from the Authorities or the fans.

 

Anyway back to tonights meeting Good Luck to the Stags who will give it 100% no shadow of a doubt.

The traditional way to progress in any sport for newcomers is to force your way into a team then start beating the older more established men. That was how it used to work in speedway's golden era. Start as a novice in the second-half, graduate to scratch races proper and start beating the lower order team men consistently. Eventually take one of their places in the team proper and move up the team order. That was good enough for the likes of Ivan Mauger, Peter Craven and many more so many seasons ago. Fast-tracking is IMO ridiculous. A similar format operates in all other main stream sports. Why should speedway be any different. And I apologise that this is off the Thread title but I felt a need to respond to the previous Post.

anybody got eyes in Sittingbourne - what's the weather like over there?

It's 17.38pm and here's what BBC Weather predicts:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2637802

[Alan_Jones]

 

And which teams will give any of those 40 under 15 year old riders a chance when they become old enough for the NL?

 

I give in, which ones?