Patryk Dudek Tests Positive For Banned Substance

[OveFundinFan]

I reckon that posts are not read all the way through, and sometimes I wonder if they read at all, before a reply is made.

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I have no doubt that Dudek took the banned substance unwittingly, whether the Polish authorities will or should see it that way is a different matter. IMO each professional sportsman is responsible for what goes inside their body, I`ve some sympathy for the rider in this case but there cannot be degrees of wrongness, so sadly Dudek should be banned.

[uk_martin]

I've heard from a Polish source that there is a possibility that Falubaz Zielona Gora may have the points scored by Dudek stripped away from them (and re-allocated?) Not sure if this is just idle speculation of if it is being considered by the authorities, whether it will be enacted, but it could have a devastating impact on the final league table and to the play-offs if it happens.

 

Has anyone else seen/read/heard anything to elaborate on this?

 

Translate and make of this article what you will..

http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/465476/wyniki-spar-u-falubazu-moga-zostac-zweryfikowane-betard-sparta-pewna-utrzymania

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Translate and make of this article what you will..

http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/465476/wyniki-spar-u-falubazu-moga-zostac-zweryfikowane-betard-sparta-pewna-utrzymania

 

All indications are that Patryk Dudek would lose points in two matches, Enea, faculty. For this reason, certain maintenance can be players Betardu Sparta Wrocław.

Home of the Speedway Sports Commission has still not issued the provisions on doping detected on . Recall that the results of the "B" sample test confirmedthat the Club's illegal doping agent took 225 junior. . He was threatened with a suspension of two years and subtracting the points scored in the contest after testing (June 22).

-The FIM Anti-Doping Code, regulating the effects detected in athletes of prohibited substances is associated with such an event severe consequences in terms of awards, titles, medals and points. It provides, first of all, cancellation of athletic performance (and lose any medals, points and prizes) obtained by a player in which use has been detected illegal measures. With adjustment of the Codex, it appears that in the present case the Board Patrick once Dudka it guilty must come to automatic cancellation of cross-country points scored during the competition, in which the sample was taken for testing and found a violation of anti-doping.

-In addition article 10.8 Anti-Doping Code stipulates that in addition to the automatic invalidation of the results achieved in the competition, after which the result of the test samples dopingowego gave a positive result, in accordance with article 9 (automatic invalidation of individual results), all other results on compete from the date on which the positive sample was collected (regardless of whether it has been collected in the course of the competition or out-of-competition), or other doping violation occurredto launch any of the provisional suspension or prohibition of the start (in this case, the athlete has been provisionally suspended GKSŻ decision on 8 August 2014) will be, if the principle of fairness required that will not be otherwise, the void with all consequences, including forfeiture of any medals, points and prizes. This means that the points scored by a player during a match round 9 DMP round on 22 June 2014 between teams Steel Gorzów Wielkopolski and Falubaz Zielona Gora should be cancelled. With a large degree of probability will be cancelled also points by a player during a match 10 round DMP between Sparta Betard Wrocław and Zielona Góra, Falubazem. Teams competing in the tournament for DMP should therefore reckon with changes in the table before the final round of the Europa League draw and- said Luke Horn, a lawyer for the GKSŻ polskizuzel.pl.

 

I did and got this.

 

[uk_martin]

I did and got this.

Yeah - problem with Google or Bing translations is what to make of them.

 

My friend in Poland tipped me off that they are now expecting that Stal Gorzow could be facing Leszno instead of Zielona Gora in the play-off's if the authorities are hard on Falubaz. Time will tell I guess.

 

So there you have it...taking drugs not only cheats yourself, it could cheat your team mates, and the supporters who would be looking forward to a humdinger of a local derby too.

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Yeah - problem with Google or Bing translations is what to make of them.

 

My friend in Poland tipped me off that they are now expecting that Stal Gorzow could be facing Leszno instead of Zielona Gora in the play-off's if the authorities are hard on Falubaz. Time will tell I guess.

 

So there you have it...taking drugs not only cheats yourself, it could cheat your team mates, and the supporters who would be looking forward to a humdinger of a local derby too.

 

IMO it would be unfair to punish Zielona Gora, what have the club done wrong, not unless they supplied the banned substance to Dudek, which I haven't seen reported before. Its the rider who is at fault and only the rider who should be punished.

[OveFundinFan]

but, screm, by the rider of that team taking drugs (deliberately or not) may have affected his performance on track. Lets suppose his performance was enhanced, then those points he scored were false and should not be allowed, hence they should be removed.

Its tough, but tough punishment has to be meted out as a means of making others be more aware of what they are doing.

Edited September 5, 2014 by OveFundinFan

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but, screm, by the rider of that team taking drugs (deliberately or not) may have affected his performance on track. Lets suppose his performance was enhanced, then those points he scored were false and should not be allowed, hence they should be removed.

Its tough, but tough punishment has to be meted out as a means of making others be more aware of what they are doing.

 

I`d like to find an argument against this but I agree, Dudek if guilty should be punished, though I am sure he took his banned substance unwittingly. Still think its a bit unfair to punish his club, I`m not sure if Dudek`s club in Sweden has made the play0offs there, if they have should they look at taking the points from his scores there.

[arnieg]

This is a minefield and should be left well alone.

 

For example if a rider has been found to have taken performance debilitating drugs (e.g. Alchohol) should we add points to his team?

 

If a rider has been taking a substance for a prolonged time should we rerun the previous season?

 

What if removing rider A's points changes the average of another rider such that a subsequent team change becomes illegal?

 

Precedent is strongly against doing this - e.g. Ed Kennett's points were not deducted from Coventry results earlier in the season.

[uk_martin]

I had a teacher at school who, if someone talked in class, he wouldn't punish the kid, he'd punish the rest of the class instead. (you can guess the rest)

 

If ZG get punished, you can bet your bottom dollar that Dudek won't be flavour of the month there any longer. Other riders wouldn't want to be in his position, that's for sure. May make them think twice about taking the wrong turning in life.

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The Polish Extraleague ended in chaos last year with the Unibax Torun debacle against ironically Dudeks Zielona Gora. If Zielona Gora are punished and stopped from taking part in the play-offs you can see history repeating itself.

[Ommer Mon]

Arnieg said - For example if a rider has been found to have taken performance debilitating drugs (e.g. Alchohol) should we add points to his team?

 

On that basis would Poole break even given their Star Boy's reptuation for other hobbies?

Only kidding!

[Tsunami]

Arnieg said - For example if a rider has been found to have taken performance debilitating drugs (e.g. Alchohol) should we add points to his team?

 

On that basis would Poole break even given their Star Boy's reptuation for other hobbies?

Only kidding!

Yea right. You're a sad individual.

[severnsider]

I`d like to find an argument against this but I agree, Dudek if guilty should be punished, though I am sure he took his banned substance unwittingly. Still think its a bit unfair to punish his club, I`m not sure if Dudek`s club in Sweden has made the play0offs there, if they have should they look at taking the points from his scores there.

I think in athletics in the past relay team members have lost medals when one of the team has tested positive, even years later so don't think this situation is just in speedway

[uk_martin]

I think in athletics in the past relay team members have lost medals when one of the team has tested positive, even years later so don't think this situation is just in speedway

 

And in football, you hear of teams getting punished for the actions of their fans. (e.g. racist chanting) "Third Party Punishments" are not at all uncommon.

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And in football, you hear of teams getting punished for the actions of their fans. (e.g. racist chanting) "Third Party Punishments" are not at all uncommon.

 

Agreed, but surely there`s a world of difference from racism to a young speedway rider unwittingly taking a banned substance in a sports drink.

[Triple.H.]

 

And in football, you hear of teams getting punished for the actions of their fans. (e.g. racist chanting) "Third Party Punishments" are not at all uncommon.

But those punishments don't work in football fining a cub a few thousand euros means nothing. Throw them out of the competition with loss of all prize money they'll soon learn.

[PHILIPRISING]

MARIN Cilic, winner of the US Open tennis championship this week, last year tested positive for the stimulant Nikethamide contained in some glucose tablets bought by his mother. He denied any wrongdoing and was given a nine month ban, reduced to four, as the Court of Aribration for sport accepted its digestion was an accident. His semi final opponent Roger Federer said he believed Cilic was not guilty of being anything more than naive.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Vicks comes in what forms, vapour rub, that stick you stick up your nose, nasal spray, cold and flu remedy etc. So what's in the stuff in it that is deemed performance enhancing? Surely you'd have to take a lot of the stuff, or sniff a lot for it to do anything?

I think the issue is that a lot of common medicines contain elements that can be performance enhancing, even if rubbing Vicks on your chest wouldn't be the most effective way to improve your performance. It's therefore necessary to have a general prohibition on the substances, otherwise every competitor could claim they'd taken something by mistake. Some of the substances on the banned list are also not necessarily performance enhancing by themselves, but can be used to mask the effects of other substances.

 

This said, some of the things on the WADA list do seem to be ridiculous (and criticised by pharmacists), not to mention totally inappropriate for some sports. For example, caffeine in certain quantities is banned because it's considered performance enhancing in endurance sports (although not power sports). However, it's generally impractical to consume enough of it, plus its effect is known to be significantly reduced if used regularly.

 

Alcohol is an interesting one as it was known by Tour de France cyclists years ago that gin and brandy could improve endurance, although you wouldn't think that beer would make much difference other than having to get off the bike more frequently to relieve oneself. In speedway though, it's far more likely to make you a danger to your fellow competitors, although anything under half-a-unit is probably relatively negligible.

[racers and royals]

Announcement tomorrow Saturday 13th on outcome of hearing.