SteveLyric2 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) https://twitter.com/Paul_Burbidge/status/502412707094876160 So if Dudek is suspended for 2 years, then Darcy surely should get a similar ban? Dudek's substance is considered 'performance enhancing' whereas Ward's is not! So there is an argument for a lesser punishment. Not saying I agree with that but there is that option! The difference in punishment is from 6 months to 2 years max for Dudek's crime, compared to a reprimand upto a max of 2 years for Ward's! Edited August 21, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 https://twitter.com/Paul_Burbidge/status/502412707094876160 So if Dudek is suspended for 2 years, then Darcy surely should get a similar ban? Dudek is being dealt with by the GKSZ, Ward directly by the FIM. The GKSZ's options are a fine of 5,000-50,000zl + 6 months suspension, or 6 months to 2 years suspension, or the penalties provided by the FIM Anti-Doping Code which amount to the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Dudek is being dealt with by the GKSZ, Ward directly by the FIM. The GKSZ's options are a fine of 5,000-50,000zl + 6 months suspension, or 6 months to 2 years suspension, or the penalties provided by the FIM Anti-Doping Code which amount to the same thing. WADA tend to guide the various bodies on a suitable ban though. There have been cases where competitors have got off lightly and WADA have appealed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Dudek's substance is considered 'performance enhancing' whereas Ward's is not! So there is an argument for a lesser punishment. Not saying I agree with that but there is that option! The difference in punishment is from 6 months to 2 years max for Dudek's crime, compared to a reprimand upto a max of 2 years for Ward's! But one would think risking the safety of other riders by intending to ride intoxicated should be considered to be a more serious violation then "just" a performance enhancing substances? That riding while intoxicated could cause much worse things then "Just" using performance enhancing substances. I realize that rules are like they are but still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P T Preece Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I see dudeks b test is positive as well, shame a real talent just remains to see how long he is out of speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I see dudeks b test is positive as well, shame a real talent just remains to see how long he is out of speedway. It always surprises me how people somehow expect the B test could be different to the A test...seeing it's the same sample taken at the same time and split into two then there is no way it could ever be different If it is then there is obviously contamination and no way could a guilty verdict be found, but I have never known a B sample to differ from an A sample in this day and age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Statement Patrick Dudek: Ladies And Gentlemen, In view of the letter received from the Commission to the fight against doping in sport on anti-doping test result, as well as comments on this topic, I made the decision to deposit a short statement containing my position in the present case. First we declare that he had never knowingly used not doping. The fact of the matter is that my body has been detected illegal means, belonging to the Group of stimulants. However, once again I emphasize that it was not in my body as a result of my intentional action. In my assessment of the illegal substance she could find in my body as a result of reported me baby foods. Secondly, I would like to point out that all my previous career he played always focused on what should focus a real player-on training and startup. It was and still is the sense of my sporting life. All the "rest" I left working with me people. Only my fault is the fact that, in a way completely trusted me and I controlled myself around people not what I made. Thirdly, recent days have given me a lot to think about how fragile sports career and how it is very easy to destroy man and everything why devoted the lion's share of your life. However, I can not and do not want to let my ignorance, user inexperience and faith in people was all that what I've been aiming and why I gave to the rest of the. I hope that it will be given to me to explain all this matter in a fair and I will continue to win medals for the country and the fans. Patryk Dudek Translation might be a bit ropey but this is Dudek`s side of the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 WOULDN'T be the first to unintentionally take a banned substance as part of an otherwise legitimate medicine. Hope he is dealt with leniently. I know ignorance is no excuse but still not sure how this can be deemed to have enhanced his performance on a speedway bike. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Agree with your sentiments phil. In reality what is best case for dudek - 12 months? Still young enough to come back at the end of the ban and hopefully just a blip in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 WOULDN'T be the first to unintentionally take a banned substance as part of an otherwise legitimate medicine. Hope he is dealt with leniently. I know ignorance is no excuse but still not sure how this can be deemed to have enhanced his performance on a speedway bike. Yes, that's fair enough, but as a professional athlete he is surely and solely responsible for what goes into his body, and I`m sure, whether it be his club, his advisors or the rider himself, there will be a list of banned substances freely available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 AGREE screm but if the substance in question didn't enhance his performance and it was an honest mistake, if that isn't a contradiction in terms, then maybe a suspended suspension would be acceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 AGREE screm but if the substance in question didn't enhance his performance and it was an honest mistake, if that isn't a contradiction in terms, then maybe a suspended suspension would be acceptable? Does it matter if the banned substance enhanced his performance, maybe that is a matter for the FIM and their doping offences list, what is undeniable is, as the rules stand at present, Dudek has failed a A and B sample taken at a meeting. I agree that if, as it seems, it is a genuine mistake, then he should be dealt with leniently, but Dudek as with Ward has to be judged as the rules stand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 AGREE screm but if the substance in question didn't enhance his performance and it was an honest mistake, if that isn't a contradiction in terms, then maybe a suspended suspension would be acceptable?I like dudek, and hope he has a long and successful career, but no way should a suspended sentence be considered acceptable. Hecmay be telking the truth, but how many people admit to cheating when caught by a drugs test? Surely it has to be six, more likely 12, months minimum? Less than six would surely be a travesty and set an unwsnted precedent for people caught. Out of interest, did Shawn moran cop a ban for his infsmous failed test in 90? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Does anybody know what substance is in question? I cannot see it mentioned anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 WOULDN'T be the first to unintentionally take a banned substance as part of an otherwise legitimate medicine. Hope he is dealt with leniently. I know ignorance is no excuse but still not sure how this can be deemed to have enhanced his performance on a speedway bike. Remember our skier who lost his Olympic medal for using a Vick inhaler from America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Remember our skier who lost his Olympic medal for using a Vick inhaler from America.Yip,Alan Baxter,strange one that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I like dudek, and hope he has a long and successful career, but no way should a suspended sentence be considered acceptable. Hecmay be telking the truth, but how many people admit to cheating when caught by a drugs test? Surely it has to be six, more likely 12, months minimum? Less than six would surely be a travesty and set an unwsnted precedent for people caught. Out of interest, did Shawn moran cop a ban for his infsmous failed test in 90? STILL think that a suspended sentence with mandatory drugs tests for at least a year would serve him and the sport better... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Does anybody know what substance is in question? I cannot see it mentioned anywhere Methylhexanamine seems to be the drug being quoted in some reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Methylhexanamine seems to be the drug being quoted in some reports....with half a dozen different marketing names of which none are usually printed on the box.Methylhexanamine seems to be the drug being quoted in some reports....with half a dozen different marketing names of which none are usually printed on the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 In bigger sports (Football, athletics, rugby, cycling etc) Professional set ups have advisers who brief and look after the "teams""players" So there is NO excuse. I fear that Speedway is a few 100 individuals who who have little or no knowlege in what "medicine" may have something on the banned list. (No excuse I know) Perhaps they should have mandatory FIM conferences where ALL licence holders are given briefings/lessons/lists/data on drugs, medicines, dodgy drinks, herbal remedies etc (Education) Then there would be NO excuse of (Did not know!) eg Charge £100 a head 50 at a time etc M (Am going for a Lemsip now they seem to wake me up!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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