DutchGrasstrack Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 - Suspended for one year (from August 8) - 5000 zloty fine - Removed from PL team (for 2 years) - 2000 zloty process costs - His points scored in matches with Gorzow and Wroclaw have been removed. https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportowefakty.pl%2Fzuzel%2F468517%2Foficjalnie-patryk-dudek-zawieszony-na-rok&edit-text= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) - His points scored in matches with Gorzow and Wroclaw have been removed. https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportowefakty.pl%2Fzuzel%2F468517%2Foficjalnie-patryk-dudek-zawieszony-na-rok&edit-text= I believe it's all the meetings he's ridden in FROM that date, so that includes the R10 meeting at Wroclaw too. Luckily it doesn't affect the outcome of either meeting, in that they lost both anyway, nor ZG's place in the table (although it does affect a bonus point), which is lucky seeing as they are in the play-offs. Hoping someone can confirm whether this will officially change the league table, with Wroclaw gaining a bonus point and ZG losing one please? Edited September 16, 2014 by June01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I believe it's all the meetings he's ridden in FROM that date, so that includes the R10 meeting at Wroclaw too. Luckily it doesn't affect the outcome of either meeting, in that they lost both anyway, nor ZG's place in the table (although it does affect a bonus point), which is lucky seeing as they are in the play-offs. Hoping someone can confirm whether this will officially change the league table, with Wroclaw gaining a bonus point and ZG losing one please? http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/468568/weryfikacja-meczow-spar-falubazu-nie-zmieni-tabeli-enea-ekstraligi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I don't think for one minute that Dudek was deliberately trying to cheat, and is guilty of nothing more than being careless or not getting the correct advice when taking his supplement drink. However as I`ve posted before Dudek, as a professional sportsman, is solely responsible for what goes inside his body. Therefore I think todays ban is the correct decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I don't think for one minute that Dudek was deliberately trying to cheat, and is guilty of nothing more than being careless or not getting the correct advice when taking his supplement drink. However as I`ve posted before Dudek, as a professional sportsman, is solely responsible for what goes inside his body. Therefore I think todays ban is the correct decision. I agree. It has happened before and will happened again to professional sportsmen/women but the authorities doesn't have much choice then to give him a ban. I think he could be "relieved" that it was "only" 12 months and not 24 months which seems to be a standard ban for a first time doping offence (in general). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I believe it's all the meetings he's ridden in FROM that date, so that includes the R10 meeting at Wroclaw too. Luckily it doesn't affect the outcome of either meeting, in that they lost both anyway, nor ZG's place in the table (although it does affect a bonus point), which is lucky seeing as they are in the play-offs. Hoping someone can confirm whether this will officially change the league table, with Wroclaw gaining a bonus point and ZG losing one please? Offically confirmed now http://speedwayekstraliga.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Komunikat-Enea-Ekstraligi-nr-54_2014.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Dudek can appeal after six months that he year ban be shortened, coincidently that might happen just before the start of the Polish season, I hope any appeal be rejected and the rider serves his full year ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 I hope his appeal is upheld as he didn't do it intentionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 I hope his appeal is upheld as he didn't do it intentionally. I agree but for the good of the sport, and as a deterrent to other riders who may see Dudek getting away with a complete ban I hope he serves his year. In some ways I think Dudek is fortunate to get a ban of only a year, it could've been longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Yes but the only lesson is to check exactly what is in your supplement drink and I would have thought every rider will be doing this now anyway! Pretty harsh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Yes but the only lesson is to check exactly what is in your supplement drink and I would have thought every rider will be doing this now anyway! Pretty harsh! Fair point, and something that Dudek should've done, so for failure to do that he deserves his ban, though as I have posted before I don't think for one minute he intended to cheat deliberately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 Fair point, and something that Dudek should've done, so for failure to do that he deserves his ban, though as I have posted before I don't think for one minute he intended to cheat deliberately. BUT you don't think that he should have been dealt with a little more leniently given, as you say, lack of intent, and his age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 BUT you don't think that he should have been dealt with a little more leniently given, as you say, lack of intent, and his age? Age shouldn't matter. As for lack of intent, very hard to prove that one surely? And in the eyes of the law, ignorance is not an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 BUT you don't think that he should have been dealt with a little more leniently given, as you say, lack of intent, and his age? No, IMO age, innocence in terms of age, and ignorance shouldn't come into it. Dudek has been found guilty of taking an illegal substance, sadly he should take and serve his full ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 BUT you don't think that he should have been dealt with a little more leniently given, as you say, lack of intent, and his age? Are you taking the piss, absolutely no why should they be lenient he broke the rules and wtf has age got to do with it you take a substance even if you mean to or a mistake you break the rules and a penalty should be given and one that will make them think long and hard about there actions. Same with Ward they should chuck the book at him I don't care if he is a talent on a bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) Dudek's ban, or suspension as described in this week's Star, has been backdated meaning the points he scored in the Polish Extraleague, subsequently, have been removed and the table amended. If the same stance were to be taken here it would have similar implications. Ward rode for Poole twice following the positive test, both against Leicester, drawing the away match in which he scored five points. Poole's two point draw becomes a one point defeat leaving King's Lynn now topping the EL giving them first pick of play-off opponent. Theoretical, of course, unless the verdict is made before Monday. Edited September 26, 2014 by tocha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 For some Bizarre reason Dudek is allowed to ride in Sunday`s Adam Skornicki testimonial in Leszno on Sunday-apparently because it`s not an "official meeting" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Dudek's ban, or suspension as described in this week's Star, has been backdated meaning the points he scored in the Polish Extraleague, subsequently, have been removed and the table amended. If the same stance were to be taken here it would have similar implications. Ward rode for Poole twice following the positive test, both against Leicester, drawing the away match in which he scored five points. Poole's two point draw becomes a one point defeat leaving King's Lynn now topping the EL giving them first pick of play-off opponent. Theoretical, of course, unless the verdict is made before Monday. Except of course Ward's offence was at a GP and Dudek's was at a Polish Extraliga meeting!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) For some Bizarre reason Dudek is allowed to ride in Sunday`s Adam Skornicki testimonial in Leszno on Sunday-apparently because it`s not an "official meeting" I agree it is wrong (since he is suspended) but technically if it is a meeting that is held independently from FIM/PZM, there is nothing that can stop Dudek from riding. Basically this is Adam Skornicki renting/borrowing a track and invites a few friends to come and ride just for fun in this private event. It is the same situation as the Swedish "Folk speedway", they're are an independent organisation that is not affiliated with Svemo or FIM. This means that anyone (including you and me) can get ourselves a bike and turn up and ride with no license or anything like that required. I've tried speedway once in at a sponsors event, riding on 250cc biked at the 80cc track at Smedstadion. I have also driven a Volvo 940 rally car (on a enclosed, figure 8 track) without having neither drivers license or a rally license. Edited October 17, 2014 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Very interested to hear about licenses/insurances with these 'independed' meetings... doesn't sound very 'covered'.Anyhow, I'm looking forward to see Dudek back on track on sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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