An Alternate Gp Format?

[Guest]

I stand to be shot down because this is a midget car link. But what I want to indicate is how that speedway formula/discipline sets up its major events in the USA (and could this venue be used for a speedway GP?). I wonder if speedway GPs might adopt a similar system. BANG!! Have the 'old gang' open fire on me - AGAIN!

http://www.knoxville...ville-Nationals

[waiheke1]

the current format is pretty much perfect imho, no need to meddle with it.

[Guest]

 

I stand to be shot down because this is a midget car link. But what I want to indicate is how that speedway formula/discipline sets up its major events in the USA (and could this venue be used for a speedway GP?). I wonder if speedway GPs might adopt a similar system. BANG!! Have the 'old gang' open fire on me - AGAIN!

http://www.knoxville...ville-Nationals

 

 

 

the current format is pretty much perfect imho, no need to meddle with it.

 

Here's the USA's Chili Bowl midget car extravaganza and its organisations. Like Knoxville, the Chili Bowl tends to put speedway's main indor venue at Cardiff a little in the shade. And wasn't it dear old Johnnie Hoskins who coinded the pjrse "Those Mighty Midgets!" He was a man of great foresight obviously.

http://www.chilibowl.com/

Edited August 8, 2014 by Guest

[lucifer sam]

Go back to the KO format of 1998 to 2004 - that was brilliant!

 

All the best

Rob

[Ghostwalker]

the current format is pretty much perfect imho, no need to meddle with it.

 

I agree. The current system is very good and I don't think any larger changes is needed. Perhaps the qualification/wild card system needs some tweaking.

 

 

 

Go back to the KO format of 1998 to 2004 - that was brilliant!

 

All the best

Rob

 

No it wasn't. It was pretty much the opposite. An over-complicated system of qualification heats and last chance heats.

Dramatic? Perhaps. Fair? Not really.

Edited August 8, 2014 by Ghostwalker

[Guest]

What I am trying to show is the magnitude of presentation and the venues used for the two USA midget car racing classics but the obvious high standard of the venues where they take place. Like it or lump it - some of the places where speedway GPs are no where in the same class. And, no matter how one may try to defend Cardiff as the indoor Mecca, does it in any way compare to either the Chili Bowl or Knoxville?

If a speedway GP ever goes to the USA - and that would be wonderful - these are the sort of venues where a discerning American public would expect to see it taking place.

Edited August 8, 2014 by Guest

[waiheke1]

 

I agree. The current system is very good and I don't think any larger changes is needed. Perhaps the qualification/wild card system needs some tweaking.

 

perhaps. in principle I'd be in favour of reducing the number of wild card places, BUT typically these result in a stronger caliber of rider being selected than get through the qualifiers. Ideally you'd have some sort of qualifying series, but don't see how that would be financially viable, so in the absence of that I think you want at least three wild card sports, to cover top riders who miss out through injury, hot up and coming talents, or riders like Emil who miss a series for political/financial/personal reasons.perhaps go back to regional based qualifiers, overseas, noric and continental finals, to make the qualifying meetings a little more meaningful with a ttile at stake?

Perhaps riders in the GPs should be excluded from the qualifiers, or bring back the old GP Challenge..

regardless, as you say, I think it's only tweaking, if anything, that's needed.

What I am trying to show is the magnitude of presentation and the venues used for the two USA midget car racing classics but the obvious high standard of the venues where they take place. Like it or lump it - some of the places where speedway GPs are no where in the same class. And, no matter how one may try to defend Cardiff as the indoor Mecca, does it in any way compare to either the Chilli Bowl or Knoxville?

If a speedway GP ever goes to the USA - and that would be wonderful - these are the sort of venues where a discerning American public would expect to see it taking place.

but your title was "GP format", nothing about venues?

If your intent was to show the venues, why not title it "GP venues and presentation"?

[Guest]

 

perhaps. in principle I'd be in favour of reducing the number of wild card places, BUT typically these result in a stronger caliber of rider being selected than get through the qualifiers. Ideally you'd have some sort of qualifying series, but don't see how that would be financially viable, so in the absence of that I think you want at least three wild card sports, to cover top riders who miss out through injury, hot up and coming talents, or riders like Emil who miss a series for political/financial/personal reasons.perhaps go back to regional based qualifiers, overseas, noric and continental finals, to make the qualifying meetings a little more meaningful with a ttile at stake?

Perhaps riders in the GPs should be excluded from the qualifiers, or bring back the old GP Challenge..

regardless, as you say, I think it's only tweaking, if anything, that's needed.

but your title was "GP format", nothing about venues?

If your intent was to show the venues, why not title it "GP venues and presentation"?

 

Thank you. The point I was trying to make is for a one-off GP each season run over several days at the same venue with more starters progressing through qualifiers on the opening days into a one-off GP final.

I used the two American venues to illustrate the sort of a venue where a Speedway GP could/should be held.

Sadly, there is no edit facility to change the threads title on the BSF - although these facilities do exist on other discussion boards.

Edited August 8, 2014 by Guest

[waiheke1]

I think for the world title, that format is a no go, wouldn't be as true a representation of best rider over the whole year as the current one, would mean countries would get to host a GP only every few years, and having that many riders would perhaps be prohibitively expensive (and would people come to watch all the meetings, or just the final)?

 

I quite like the concept, perhaps in the context of Elite Riders champs or European Champs, but just not sure it is practical.

[Mark]

Go back to the KO format of 1998 to 2004 - that was brilliant!

 

All the best

Rob

 

It was rubbish. The top riders generally got the best gate and it was the norm to see a rider deliberately lose a heat to ensure he continued to get the best gate.

 

Riders who had a poor previous GP were forced to take rides 1 and 2 from the outside gates. It was a 2 race death sentence.

 

The current system gives every rider a fair chance and that is why the GP's have so many different winners and are hard to predict. Thats what we want. Not Crump or Rickardson winning alternate meetings with every race beiong won from the gate

[Vince]

The only change I would like to see is all riders getting at least a point for getting to the semi finals. Perhaps score them 4,3,2,1.

[racers and royals]

 

Thank you. The point I was trying to make is for a one-off GP each season run over several days at the same venue with more starters progressing through qualifiers on the opening days into a one-off GP final.

I used the two American venues to illustrate the sort of a venue where a Speedway GP could/should be held.

Sadly, there is no edit facility to change the threads title on the BSF - although these facilities do exist on other discussion boards.

This is probably a first helpful post I have made to you-if you use edit and then full editor you can change the thread title

[lucifer sam]

 

It was rubbish. The top riders generally got the best gate and it was the norm to see a rider deliberately lose a heat to ensure he continued to get the best gate.

 

Riders who had a poor previous GP were forced to take rides 1 and 2 from the outside gates. It was a 2 race death sentence.

 

The current system gives every rider a fair chance and that is why the GP's have so many different winners and are hard to predict. Thats what we want. Not Crump or Rickardson winning alternate meetings with every race beiong won from the gate

 

That's not backed up by the stats, which reveal that Rickardsson (with 6 wins in 2005) and Crump (with 4 wins in 2006) both had their most dominant years outside the KO format.

 

I don't think any rider ever won more than 3 GPs in a season while the KO system was in place.

 

It mixed things up a bit, and was unquestionably dramatic, with eliminators as early as Heat 5. It's what the GP should be.... full or drama. Whereas the current format, which guarantees riders 5 rides, is far too cosy. The KO format was cut-throat. Time to bring it back, to give the GP a much needed shake up.

 

All the best

Rob

[theflyingkiwi]

Every race matters in the current format, if you go back to the old format it will be far to tactical riders not going for the win but instead racing for the position that will suit them further into the meeting.

[Mike.Butler]

i would forget about practice...previous day takes riders away from a UK meet they could otherwise do whilst on the day hinders good track prep

[BWitcher]

What I am trying to show is the magnitude of presentation and the venues used for the two USA midget car racing classics but the obvious high standard of the venues where they take place. Like it or lump it - some of the places where speedway GPs are no where in the same class. And, no matter how one may try to defend Cardiff as the indoor Mecca, does it in any way compare to either the Chili Bowl or Knoxville?

If a speedway GP ever goes to the USA - and that would be wonderful - these are the sort of venues where a discerning American public would expect to see it taking place.

 

What on earth are you talking about?

 

That venue for the 'Chilli Bowl' is the Tulsa Expo Center. It's not even a stadium, but an exhibition hall in which they put up some temporary stands. Will hold less than 10,000. Yet you are seriously suggesting it is a better venue than Cardiff???

 

It would be like us staging the British GP at the NEC... not the arena at the NEC, but one of the exhibition halls.

[lucifer sam]

Every race matters in the current format, if you go back to the old format it will be far to tactical riders not going for the win but instead racing for the position that will suit them further into the meeting.

 

If a rider wins their first three races and has 9 points, if they then run a third, they might be not too unhappy to sit in that postion.

 

Where under the KO format, if you did that, you were straight into an eliminator, even if you'd been previosly unbeaten. You couldn't affort a duff ride in the KO format, you can under the current format. It favours the top riders too much now, whereas under the KO format anybody could get into the mix.

 

There was cut-throat racing throughout the KO format, you only tend to get that from Heat 17 onwards under the current format. It's too safe for a high-octane motorsport. Make it dramatic.

 

All the best

Rob

[Guest]

This is probably a first helpful post I have made to you-if you use edit and then full editor you can change the thread title

I'll give that a try. I am always ready to learn. Thank you.

[Trees]

i would forget about practice...previous day takes riders away from a UK meet they could otherwise do whilst on the day hinders good track prep

And gives every rider more of an equal chance of success.

[BWitcher]

And gives every rider more of an equal chance of success.

 

Why?