Trees Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Racing on the occasional Mondays to suit Sky is one thing, but despite what Woffy has said, several of the top riders DO NOT like Monday meetings in the UK on a regular basis. Many prefer the day off after GP and Poland at the weekend and then Sweden on a Tuesday. Wednesdays and Thursdays seem a better option, even with the Danish League alternatives. As for the EL/PL admission price differential, the EL proposal to reduce admission by £2, was opposed by the PL as it would mean the PL reducing their prices by a similar amount - not competing at the same price!!! Many PL promoters stated it would 'ruin them'!! So clearly the PL clubs are also running very close to the financial wind!! EL promoters should have done it, never mind the PL promoters, fans support their teams, there's a few floaters who go here, there and everywhere, I can't see why it would have ruined PL clubs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 EH!!!!! Very true - and I didn't like them then either. orion - I am doing my very best to understand your Posts. Do you mean: "doesn't hold much water. Only asking - but that is two in a row I have struggled with. In fact I am still not sure about the first one. That makes of two of us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 That makes of two of us Nice one. :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) A number of EL promoters wanted to drop their prices this season but the PL clubs complained that the fans would complain it was unfair the EL cost the same or less than the PL!Come again?! So, the Plymouths of this world are asking the Pooles of this world not to drop their prices? a - I find this difficult to believe b - what on earth has it do with them what another promoter charges? Edited August 14, 2014 by falcace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Come again?! So, the Plymouths of this world are asking the Pooles of this world not to drop their prices? a - I find this difficult to believe b - what on earth has it do with them what another promoter charges? Can only repeat what a number of other promoters have said. I dont get it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 That makes of two of us Three, actually - but I got told it didn't need translating! I still can't understand that post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Speedway used to be packed when you had the stupid and unfair tac sub rule ...So to say that things like double points turns people off don't hold much water personally liked tac sub rule, thought it gave managers loads of options. a trained monkey could manage today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I can't see how it could make the slightest difference if the EL was to lower it's prices by £2. There is no hard fast rule that says that the PL have to do the same. If they are stuggling to make ends meet and can't see of any way to drop thier prices than leave them where they are. I am sure that the fans would still keep turning up and not decide that because the EL price is now only £15, we will stop going to see our team race but go and follow an EL club. Stupid idea. I also can't stand all this chopping and changing that you now get within the teams. At Leicester we have lost the services of Simon Stead for the last 3 meeting because he had to ride for His PL club Sheffield and we would have also lost Josh Bates as well if he had been fit. Can't see why the PL club get the priority over the EL club. I think we all want to see a team that is the same 7 riders for every meeting bar any rider being injured. You don't know who the hell is riding for your club until the team is announced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 EH!!!!! Very true - and I didn't like them then either. orion - I am doing my very best to understand your Posts. Do you mean: "doesn't hold much water. Only asking - but that is two in a row I have struggled with. In fact I am still not sure about the first one. I think Orion is not adding enough water! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) personally liked tac sub rule, thought it gave managers loads of options. a trained monkey could manage today Not exactly rocket science back then, you just stuck your top two into heat 8. Can't see why the PL club get the priority over the EL club. I think we all want to see a team that is the same 7 riders for every meeting bar any rider being injured. You don't know who the hell is riding for your club until the team is announced. And the PL team don't want to see the same 7 riders? Edited August 14, 2014 by Vincent Blackshadow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Not exactly rocket science back then, you just stuck your top two into heat 8.you just stated the easy move, you could make changes in far more races than that, and unlike now, you had more moves with the reserves who only had to have 2 outtings..was far more permatations. ht11 for away team was always nice as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) you just stated the easy move, you could make changes in far more races than that, and unlike now, you had more moves with the reserves who only had to have 2 outtings..was far more permatations. ht11 for away team was always nice as well Basically, back then you replaced a struggling rider with one going well, a track specialist, whatever, but it was usually a case of sticking a heat-leader (or two) into a heat in which their poorest top five rider was riding, usually accompanied by a reserve. Nowadays, it's a case of deciding which of your riders will beat his counterpart in a programmed heat, not quite as easy as considering the likelihood of your top two beating their weakest pairing. Your top rider might not be riding in the next heat when you drop far enough behind to use a tac ride but back then you could make sure he/they were by changing. Down to opinion, I suppose. Personally, I'm in the no tac sub/ride lot. Edited August 14, 2014 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Not exactly rocket science back then, you just stuck your top two into heat 8. And the PL team don't want to see the same 7 riders? Damn!!! I was going to Post that - you beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 i recall many ht8 5.1s, but i also remember mike lanham and ted howgego popping out and producing brilliant races beating a heat leader..i guess as blackshadow says, matter of opinion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 you just stated the easy move, you could make changes in far more races than that, and unlike now, you had more moves with the reserves who only had to have 2 outtings..was far more permatations. ht11 for away team was always nice as wellDid you see Piratana vs Vetlanda in the Swedish elite league recently.The tac sub rule allowed Piratana to track the pairing of Darcy Ward and Greg Hancock in 4 heats out of the 13 heats available,6 rides each, amazingly they mugged Vetlanda by 2 after Ward/Hancock maximums in 14 and 15.Hardly fair ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Did you see Piratana vs Vetlanda in the Swedish elite league recently.The tac sub rule allowed Piratana to track the pairing of Darcy Ward and Greg Hancock in 4 heats out of the 13 heats available,6 rides each, amazingly they mugged Vetlanda by 2 after Ward/Hancock maximums in 14 and 15.Hardly fair !i never saw a swedish lge, is the tac sub rule the same as the old british lge ruling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 i never saw a swedish lge, is the tac sub rule the same as the old british lge ruling?Yeh 6 behind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Yeh 6 behind.i see...i do think theres lots of options under the old ruling myself. i recall wolves visiting foxhall a few times and the karlsson brothers (before michael max), and them 2 alone virtually winning the match, with little back up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Did you see Piratana vs Vetlanda in the Swedish elite league recently.The tac sub rule allowed Piratana to track the pairing of Darcy Ward and Greg Hancock in 4 heats out of the 13 heats available,6 rides each, amazingly they mugged Vetlanda by 2 after Ward/Hancock maximums in 14 and 15.Hardly fair ! In any team sport you have subs & they can turn a match. In football you could be 1-0 down with 10 to go & a star striker comes on & scores 2 & you win 2-1 not fair on the other team but within the rules & the rule is sensible. Now if a goal that was scored counted for 2 that would be crazy & remember the stick that Fifa got for the golden goal when they tried it the rule was dropped as a result. The problem that speedway has is its rule book & those crazy rules within it have without doubt driven many away myself included. What has speedway done to stop the rot & try to win back people like me well in short nothing other than make the sport more of a joke!! For me to spend my hard earned cash going to speedway I want to see two teams with 7 riders of their own who feel a belonging to the teams that they are riding for. That means riding for one team and no guests................it has been proven that this can be done in the past. I want to see team managers managing so allow the team manager to name his top 5 in any order to try & outwit his counterpart allow him to pick which gates his riders go from. Now the tac sub I would like to see the old 6 point down rule brought back & the joker done away with. I would go as far as say that if the sport wants to be seen as a sport & charge as so then the daft stuff needs sorting out but if the powers that be want jokers guests & riders riding for 3 teams then scrap speedway as a sport & market it as a entertainment & charge about £8 to get in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Just seen a you tube clip from British League 1983.........................................50 point team building limit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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