stratton Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 The fast track rule is one of the most ridiculous rules ever and really doesn't do anything to actually help the progress of riders,,,people might say it does, but it doesn't....it is purely a cost cutting watering down rule and the fast track riders themselves generally get harder rides in the Premier League which will bring them on quicker than this false fast track rule brought in I don't think the top stars will flock back to Britain even if the Elite goes one night only, which I can't see happening anyway....this isn't just the Grand Prix but mainly due to the growth of the European leagues...whilst the Polish and Swedish leagues are there then the British League is always going to be third for a lot of top riders regardless of race days , one race night etc Unfortunately I don't think people are going to be attracted back to speedway , there are too many counter attractions now and the product isn't strong enough....I don't know what the answer is...answers should have been found a long time ago but weren't I never agreed with the fast track rule, but i have supported it and to be fair i have enjoyed watching the likes of Sarjeant,Rose,Greaves make progress.Kerr,Garrity,Newman in my mind are not included in this, as they had exsperience and were good anough anyway.For the future i have no idea to be honest, i personally would cut costs be prudent and concentrate on just putting on a good nights entertainment making us feel it was value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 I never agreed with the fast track rule, but i have supported it and to be fair i have enjoyed watching the likes of Sarjeant,Rose,Greaves make progress.Kerr,Garrity,Newman in my mind are not included in this, as they had exsperience and were good anough anyway.For the future i have no idea to be honest, i personally would cut costs be prudent and concentrate on just putting on a good nights entertainment making us feel it was value for money. Lewis Kerr with his 1 season of PL racing had "experience"? Even Garrity only had 2 seasons of PL racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) I am still of the opinion that for the Elite League to survive then the promoters must start to negotiate with their landlords with the view that we have Monday nights for all Elite League meetings, But I can hear them shouting that it is impossible, but it’s not impossible at the moment if Sky want to televise their meeting. It will also be beneficial for the fans that will be able to watch top English & continental riders in their teams and paying Elite League prices to see genuine top class speedway instead of paying top rates to watch mostly Premier & National League riders. The fast track system is not working except for the few riders that were going to make it anyway, but from what I have seen there are a lot of national league riders tied up in this fast track system that are losing their confidence and their heads are beginning to hang very low which proves that this is a step too far. In my opinion the fast track could have worked with both leagues by giving two British premier league riders the chance to prove themselves as reserves in the elite league and two national league riders as reserves in the premier league which is the way rider progression should work.  One night a week may or may not bring the top liners back to Britain but if it's a Monday it won't. Belle Vue and Wolves riders know the deal before they sign but the rest prefer to go from Poland to Sweden direct not via GB. Edited August 27, 2014 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Spot on, falcace... as always. Â No wonder those on the Belle Vue Unofficial site used to say we were the same people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Cos there aren't enough British riders around. Does no-one read other people's posts. You obviously have a problem with understanding other people's posts. The point was, if there is no legal restriction in the NL why can't the PL introduce a scheme whereby, say, 2 British riders were at reserve. If you think that there aren't enough British riders for that to work, start with one, the next season make it two etc. This would give an incentive to get British riders coming through and not drop them at the first opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) One night a week may or may not bring the top liners back to Britain but if it's a Monday it won't. Belle Vue and Wolves riders know the deal before they sign but the rest prefer to go from Poland to Sweden direct not via GB. Surely the main thing about having the set race night on a Monday it's to make sure that teams are at full strength rather that the sort of team Eastie are putting up tonight at Poole .. if it has the added bonus of making teams stronger then all well and good . Edited August 27, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Monday is the worst day of the week to schedule meetings for. Â First day back at work, kids back to school, bit tired and skint after the weekend. Even in the good old days few clubs elected to run on Mondays (Reading did though). Â Monday is only being suggested because it's the only remaining day available, no other country opted for Mondays and for good reason. It won't be viable. Â Guess what my favourite Boomtown Rats song is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Guess what my favourite Boomtown Rats song is? Rat Trap ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) quote name="SCB" post="2506964" timestamp="1409132645"]Lewis Kerr with his 1 season of PL racing had "experience"? Even Garrity only had 2 seasons of PL racing. [/quote). Lets be honest we all knew those two with Blackbird,Ellis,Newman were the best riders in the draft, the rest are miles behind.Sarjeant,Rose,Greaves, have shown promise and have stuck at it and progressed.The five i named would of been good anough maybe in a tougher EL as a number seven but with the format the way it is with the two programmed rides against the other draft riders would you not exspect them to do well.?There next test is to show they can hold there own in a one to five on a regular basis, a tough ask but it would be great if some could do it. Edited August 27, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Surely the main thing about having the set race night on a Monday it's to make sure that teams are at full strength rather that the sort of team Eastie are putting up tonight at Poole .. if it has the added bonus of making teams stronger then all well and good . Â Depends if you include the top continental riders in this 'full strength' scenario, as the poster I quoted was. Most of the top continentals would opt out of riding here if Monday was the race night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 You obviously have a problem with understanding other people's posts. The point was, if there is no legal restriction in the NL why can't the PL introduce a scheme whereby, say, 2 British riders were at reserve. If you think that there aren't enough British riders for that to work, start with one, the next season make it two etc. This would give an incentive to get British riders coming through and not drop them at the first opportunity. I fully understand your post and I repeat what I said. There are not enough BRIT riders to occupy all the NL places, and also have a similar qualification process for both the PL and the EL. Some are already riding in both the EL and the PL and EL, and as they move out of protected slots there needs to be other young riders coming through. There is not enough coming through to go gung-ho in every league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 in 68,69 they said there wasn't enough riders to staff the new BL Div2 Â there was then and there would be this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 in 68,69 they said there wasn't enough riders to staff the new BL Div2 Â there was then and there would be this time You know there is a gap between those coming through and the standard to hold down a team place at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 You know there is a gap between those coming through and the standard to hold down a team place at the moment. Â agreed but we've seen time and again that given a chance young riders will improve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 in 68,69 they said there wasn't enough riders to staff the new BL Div2 Â there was then and there would be this time Not necessarily. The new Div 2 teams were an opportunity for many grass track riders to take up speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highside Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 Looking at the Wolverhampton team last night our great sport is heading one way very sad . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 Looking at the Wolverhampton team last night our great sport is heading one way very sad . Yes - to oblivion. :sad: Â How can you support YOUR Team in those circumstances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highside Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 3 Elite league meetings tonight with 10 guests say it all . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 3 Elite league meetings tonight with 10 guests say it all . Agreed. Â Such a shame. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 All it says is that there are a lot of injuries at the moment? Apart from Pawlicki who was taking the Michael out of Wolves the other nine absent riders are not fit. Â That said you are right, there are far too many guests in the EL this year through riders competing elsewhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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