greyhoundp Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Poole V Leicester 20/08/2014 Leicester turn up with 4 Guests and a No1 who is a late arrival, need i say more as to why the EL has had its day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 And for me it starts a the very top, and the way the top league has been run. Â The Elite League has had the lions share of money that has been given to British Speedway and they have messed up, to a point now that there is not much difference between the Premier League and Elite League. Â If we think back to 10 years ago the standard of the Elite League reduced drastically and the Premier League at worse is no different. I Don't think your find anyone who would say that Speedway has been run well at El level or indeed that the standard has not dropped . in 10 years thou I would say that crowds have dropped all round no matter what the league . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I Don't think your find anyone who would say that Speedway has been run well at El level or indeed that the standard has not dropped . in 10 years thou I would say that crowds have dropped all round no matter what the league .True , there's even less folk go to speedway now than go to church these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Poole V Leicester 20/08/2014 Leicester turn up with 4 Guests and a No1 who is a late arrival, need i say more as to why the EL has had its day. No match of late when in the PL that a team has had 4 guests in then ? no doubt riders don't get stuck in traffic in the PL as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 No match of late when in the PL that a team has had 4 guests in then ? no doubt riders don't get stuck in traffic in the PL as well .Why do you keep having a pop at the PL ? Only a couple of folk think it's some sort of speedway utopia , the rest of us are well aware it's on life support . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Why do you keep having a pop at the PL ? Only a couple of folk think it's some sort of speedway utopia , the rest of us are well aware it's on life support . Not having a pop at the pl just pointing out that the same things can happen in each league . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Not having a pop at the pl just pointing out that the same things can happen in each league . As far as I know though orion - the Elite League is the ONLY League that has squandered SKY money, paid Riders loads more than they should have done and allowed the League to get in to such a dreadful state. Â The Elite League is largely in trouble due to it's own fault - THEY had the SKY money which, to an extent, cushioned the effects of the Recession - but they blew it. Â The Premier League is, I know, riddled with problems too. These are largely down to the Recession and falling Crowd levels. Â I do not know anything about the Financial state of the National League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Really silly comment it's quite clear if a Ward or a Woffy come to town then the crowd going to be bigger , just pure common sense . Swindon crowds are nearly always based upon what the oppo side is like . Â Â Â Not sure the crowd will be bigger any more. To be bigger, there's got to be more people in the vicinity that actually give a toss about the sport and read about who rides for whom these days and I don't believe there is. I reckon most who care go anyway now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) Â Not sure the crowd will be bigger any more. To be bigger, there's got to be more people in the vicinity that actually give a toss about the sport and read about who rides for whom these days and I don't believe there is. I reckon most who care go anyway now. I don't. :sad: Edited August 20, 2014 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) As far as I know though orion - the Elite League is the ONLY League that has squandered SKY money, paid Riders loads more than they should have done and allowed the League to get in to such a dreadful state. Â The Elite League is largely in trouble due to it's own fault - THEY had the SKY money which, to an extent, cushioned the effects of the Recession - but they blew it. Â The Premier League is, I know, riddled with problems too. These are largely down to the Recession and falling Crowd levels. Â I do not know anything about the Financial state of the National League. ? the only league to pay riders a lot more than they should . As I have to keep pointed it's what you can afford . Glasgow and Boro both who are pl by the way at this time are finding it hard to paid riders meaning that the budget they had means that they were paying to much . No doubt Newport another Pl team were paying the line up they had the correct amount on the 250 fans they were getting ? Edited August 20, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 ? the only league to pay riders a lot more than they should . As I have to keep pointed it's what you can afford . Glasgow and Boro both who are pl by the way at this time are finding it hard to paid rides meaning that the budget they had means that they were paying to much . No doubt Newport another Pl team were paying the line up they had the correct amount on the 250 fans they were getting ? You are, of course, correct. Â However - as I have pointed out the Premier League did not have the advantage of SKY money. Â I think we can agree on one thing though, and that is that Speedway is in a mess and needs to be sorted out root and branch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 That is a point that Orion can't grasp or does not want to,the PL clubs don't get the sky money the EL does.As i have pointed alot of these clubs without the sky money would be knackered ok sky have signed a new deal but i believe they do not pay so much now?My stance would be to be prudent really cut some of the big hitters out and plan to be around for the next 20 years what's wrong with saving the sky money for a rainy day.?Other guys have pointed out that Ward/Tai do not put thousands on the gates great riders and they deserve everything they get but without the sky money clubs could not afford to pay those sorts of salaries on a 1000plus gate(if you are lucky)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Really silly comment it's quite clear if a Ward or a Woffy come to town then the crowd going to be bigger , just pure common sense . Swindon crowds are nearly always based upon what the oppo side is like . . Great. So glad to hear I was being so silly and things are so great. Brilliant news! Got my pen and paper ready here, can you just give me the numbers then of those bigger crowds that I was so oblivious to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 One has to speculate whether the perceived serial rule bending by the likes of Poole is a major contributing factor in the continuing demise of Speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Lets get one thing straight speedway crowds are down from say 10 years ago in all leagues, if there are clubs that are experiencing better crowds then they are a rarity. Â And lets face it it will only get worse and the for the major problem is the Elite League, it should be the standard bearer for the British speedway and unless someone comes up with some very radical ideas then I think we are looking at speedway in this country to become more sustainable having Premier League standard as the top league. Â The Elite League has failed to move with the times for a modern day top speedway rider, and most have either never bothered with the League or have drifted away. Â Eventually Sky have decided that they were not prepared to fund the league anymore after watering things down and as they have done this more and more fans have walked away. Â The Premier League although the crowd levels have gone down, but as product is still as good if not better than 10 years ago and of the two league's although not in healthy position financially it is in a far better position than the Elite League. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) The idea that the PL props up the EL but not vice versa is daft - there are umpteen riders who are on loan to PL clubs from EL clubs for a start, plus several who are really EL riders but use the PL to top up their earnings ie Cook, Barker, King, Stead, Lawson, Josh G, Morris, Klindt, Worrall etc. If riders were made to choose one league or the other I bet the PL would be the one to suffer. Â That's not to say the EL doesn't have its problems because it of course has many. Edited August 20, 2014 by Gordon Bennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Great. So glad to hear I was being so silly and things are so great. Brilliant news! Got my pen and paper ready here, can you just give me the numbers then of those bigger crowds that I was so oblivious to? When did anyone say things were Brilliant ? i think you got to pretty naïve thou to think the size of the crowd is not effected by the standard of the side or riders you are facing . Maybe we get 400 more fans every time Poole are in town because people like the colour blue . That is a point that Orion can't grasp or does not want to,the PL clubs don't get the sky money the EL does.As i have pointed alot of these clubs without the sky money would be knackered ok sky have signed a new deal but i believe they do not pay so much now?My stance would be to be prudent really cut some of the big hitters out and plan to be around for the next 20 years what's wrong with saving the sky money for a rainy day.?Other guys have pointed out that Ward/Tai do not put thousands on the gates great riders and they deserve everything they get but without the sky money clubs could not afford to pay those sorts of salaries on a 1000plus gate(if you are lucky)! Not at all any sport without tv money would have a lower standard but unless it happens or it's going to happen then it's pointless talking about it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 The idea that the PL props up the EL but not vice versa is daft - there are umpteen riders who are on loan to PL clubs from EL clubs for a start, plus several who are really EL riders but use the PL to top up their earnings ie Cook, Barker, King, Stead, Lawson, Josh G, Morris, Klindt, Worrall etc. If riders were made to choose one league or the other I bet the PL would be the one to suffer. Â That's not to say the EL doesn't have its problems because it of course has many. Â Are you really confident making that statement. Â Funny how you mention Nick Morris, was that not the Nick Morris informed Swindon that he wanted to ride for Sheffield after he initially lost his place at Somerset which effectively meant that he would not be riding for Swindon if he did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 No match of late when in the PL that a team has had 4 guests in then ? no doubt riders don't get stuck in traffic in the PL as well . Â Orion, Im 5 miles from Poole, I saw the Leicester Team and thought NO way am i going to watch that. Â Is that self explanatory, meaning its not value for money nor entertainment, it does not rock my boat to go as a neutral to see less than half a Leicester Team perform against a Poole Team that has just walloped the League leaders away from home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) Are you really confident making that statement. Â Funny how you mention Nick Morris, was that not the Nick Morris informed Swindon that he wanted to ride for Sheffield after he initially lost his place at Somerset which effectively meant that he would not be riding for Swindon if he did that. Wrong Morris wanted to ride in Two leagues ...If he was to ride for Sheff if would meant leaving Swindon and doubling up with the Lions to avoid a clash of race nights . Â At the end the day Morris was going to start as a EL rider only at Swindon intill the rebels change of mind about Proctor . Orion, Im 5 miles from Poole, I saw the Leicester Team and thought NO way am i going to watch that. Â Is that self explanatory, meaning its not value for money nor entertainment, it does not rock my boat to go as a neutral to see less than half a Leicester Team perform against a Poole Team that has just walloped the League leaders away from home. But people have said on here that people don't care about team line up's ? Falace has told us people turn up no matter who's riding . Edited August 20, 2014 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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