stratton Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Does it ? I think it exposes you as Poole have not always been well supported as any speedway fan will tell you . The club used to be dump but as now risen to be the best club and best supported club in the uk ...I would say it would the best example you can have of what a club at speedway as a whole could do if run well .I went there years ago when on holiday,and this club always held there own, paid the bills who wouldn't in that area and destination?Has it changed much? for me has not changed that much and i went alot in Malc Holloway BL career then the crowds were ok and then was a great day out.Whats changed not alot, have to say Ford has done a great job rules and winners i am not interested in really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I went there years ago when on holiday,and this club always held there own, paid the bills who wouldn't in that area and destination?Has it changed much? for me has not changed that much and i went alot in Malc Holloway BL career then the crowds were ok and then was a great day out.Whats changed not alot, have to say Ford has done a great job rules and winners i am not interested in really. It not always pay it bills thou ? the clubs been poorly supported and nearly gone bust before ...it's area and destination did not do much for it then did it . Â As I said it's club that has risen from the ashes to be the biggest club in the uk and the best example you can get of how to run a speedway club bar Matt Ford bending the rules of course ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I went there years ago when on holiday,and this club always held there own, paid the bills who wouldn't in that area and destination?Has it changed much? for me has not changed that much and i went alot in Malc Holloway BL career then the crowds were ok and then was a great day out.Whats changed not alot, have to say Ford has done a great job rules and winners i am not interested in really. Well I am!!! Â I don't like to see Rules/Regulations being bent at all. :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Well I am!!! Â I don't like to see Rules/Regulations being bent at all. :mad: For me WK if the rules are bent like MARADONA did in the world cup they only cheat themselves they look themselves in the mirror and see a cheat.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 For me WK if the rules are bent like MARADONA did in the world cup they only cheat themselves they look themselves in the mirror and see a cheat.! I agree with you sidney - but - there is plenty of things I am not happy about in Speedway - and that makes me very sad. :sad: Â Happiness is 40-38. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) It not always pay it bills thou ? the clubs been poorly supported and nearly gone bust before ...it's area and destination did not do much for it then did it . Â As I said it's club that has risen from the ashes to be the biggest club in the uk and the best example you can get of how to run a speedway club bar Matt Ford bending the rules of course ... Â But that's the very reason they remain the top club in Britain. Â As you post, Poole haven't always been as well supported and as financially healthy as they now are. Ford has got them there by bringing and maintaining success to the club. I wonder what would happen after a couple of years of mediocrity, will they slip back to where they were pre his arrival? Ford can't take that chance so does everything in his power to keep the club up there. Â The trouble is, this may keep Poole at the top but it doesn't do the rest of the teams any good and can only go on for so long before everything goes knockers-up, and we're going that way fast! Edited August 22, 2014 by Vincent Blackshadow 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I agree with you sidney - but - there is plenty of things I am not happy about in Speedway - and that makes me very sad. :sad: Â Happiness is 40-38. I agree WK totally and i even enjoyed the odd few 51-27 and i don't know about you but I am nearly past caring now we can all beat ourselves up but nothing will change.If i go now and see the odd decent race i am more than happy sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I agree WK totally and i even enjoyed the odd few 51-27 and i don't know about you but I am nearly past caring now we can all beat ourselves up but nothing will change.If i go now and see the odd decent race i am more than happy sad but true. As from last Sunday I have, reluctantly given it up sidney. I will no longer be attending Meetings regularly. I may go now and again, but then again - I may not. :sad: Â Started: 1964 Â Finished: 2014. Â My reasons are too many things wind me up at Speedway these days - most folk on here will know what I am talking about without going in to it all over again. Stupid Rule/Regulations are the only reason. Â Sad after FIFTY Years. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) As from last Sunday I have, reluctantly given it up sidney. I will no longer be attending Meetings regularly. I may go now and again, but then again - I may not. :sad: Â Started: 1964 Â Finished: 2014. Â My reasons are too many things wind me up at Speedway these days - most folk on here will know what I am talking about without going in to it all over again. Stupid Rule/Regulations are the only reason. Â Sad after FIFTY Years. :sad: Really sad WK but i can understand why, i hope come next March you would of changed your mind.If not so what! you will always be clued on and keep in touch with the sport. Just promise me one thing,if you change your mind don't worry about showing it as a weakness if you have a change of heart as it would be far from it. Edited August 23, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Â But that's the very reason they remain the top club in Britain. Â As you post, Poole haven't always been as well supported and as financially healthy as they now are. Ford has got them there by bringing and maintaining success to the club. I wonder what would happen after a couple of years of mediocrity, will they slip back to where they were pre his arrival? Ford can't take that chance so does everything in his power to keep the club up there. Â The trouble is, this may keep Poole at the top but it doesn't do the rest of the teams any good and can only go on for so long before everything goes knockers-up, and we're going that way fast! I agree with most of that . My main point was that Poole have not always been a well supported club . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 You have to admire Poole. They once went bust but used the lower league to help get themselves fit for top-flight speedway. They have acted like any business would who wishes to be successful, and hence have played to some healthy crowds over recent years. Â Now, if the whole of speedway displayed themselves in the same way, this Saturday morning may not seem as bleak for the sport. Â Poole should be the template - they faced going bust, set up a great team in the lower league with less operating costs, found a bunch of their own riders, then set about running a professional show and are now the brunt of many a fan whose tracks are less driven. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 theres been a huge drop off in fan support all around the tracks..i believe the reasons are as WK suggests...its not a credible sport. the fact the drop off is everywhere, and not regional, suggests to me is people has given up on the product...the agm simply cant get it wrong this time around 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 ColinMills  How correct you are - it is not a credible sport anymore. I contributed a piece to The Speedway Memories book and explained this. Once you don't believe something, you cannot trusting what you see.  To me, anyway, there is too much sort of foreplay before we have a rush for the main piece of silverware. It's like, a team can get it wrong so many times during the first quarter of a season and yet still be crowned Play-Off winners.  It's like that TV show from the 70s, Runaround, hosted by Mike Reid, in which kids were asked a question, positioned themselves in a line that contained one of, say, three answers (which wasn't important)... but were then given a proper opportunity to jump into a queue on the sound of a buzzer in which they thought contained the correct answer.  It is all about timing.. and dare I say, diddling a few things.  When you start asking whether a point was dropped on purpose, for future chances of glory, it's the Santa Claus effect. Sorry, I don't believe in the product... speedway, that is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 theres been a huge drop off in fan support all around the tracks..i believe the reasons are as WK suggests...its not a credible sport. the fact the drop off is everywhere, and not regional, suggests to me is people has given up on the product...the agm simply cant get it wrong this time around  Does it need to be a credible sport? Monster Trucks? Massive in many ways!? Freestyle Moto x Jumping??! Drifting?! Wrestling?!  None credible sports but get pretty big crowds (Fill giant arenas in some countries)  It needs to be more modern and entertaining 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 the "sports" you mention are not team sports.....picture lewis hamilton driving for Red Bull one race, Mclaren the next etc, its simply stupid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014  Does it need to be a credible sport? Monster Trucks? Massive in many ways!? Freestyle Moto x Jumping??! Drifting?! Wrestling?!  None credible sports but get pretty big crowds (Fill giant arenas in some countries)  It needs to be more modern and entertaining   Oh my god... I don't follow any of the sports you have mentioned, cos they aren't credible.  At this rate... I ain't gonna be following speedway if it is bracketed with that lot.  Where's my coat... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 anyone who noticed the somerset/witches page sums up the problem...here you had 1st against 3rd...result was totally pointless, due to the fact both teams are in the play offs, a match under proper league format, should of been one of the most important fixtures of the season. those who like the play offs, enjoy your 3/4 games of meaningful speedway! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) You have to admire Poole. They once went bust but used the lower league to help get themselves fit for top-flight speedway. They have acted like any business would who wishes to be successful, and hence have played to some healthy crowds over recent years. Â Now, if the whole of speedway displayed themselves in the same way, this Saturday morning may not seem as bleak for the sport. Â Poole should be the template - they faced going bust, set up a great team in the lower league with less operating costs, found a bunch of their own riders, then set about running a professional show and are now the brunt of many a fan whose tracks are less driven. Â But not every team would get away with what you suggest in your next post. Â Â It is all about timing.. and dare I say, diddling a few things. Â Â Â And some may not wish to! Edited August 23, 2014 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixy230 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited)   Oh my god... I don't follow any of the sports you have mentioned, cos they aren't credible.  At this rate... I ain't gonna be following speedway if it is bracketed with that lot.  Where's my coat... And Speedway is credible? riders riding in 2 Leagues in 1 country, riding for leagues in 3 or 4 countries, jokers, playing with points, inconsistant refs/tracks, wild cards etc etc etc  But we must remember, that without the crowds Speedway will close down! With the crowds (money coming in) maybe riders could ride for less teams (As they could improve their pay)  Clubs/teams/speedway needs revenue! big revenue to make it worthwhile. Without changes it will slowly dwindle even more! Lets face it its struggling/ tracks folding because its not (Value for money, modern, exciting, kept up to date, no major factory support "Honda, Yamaha etc) 95% of the population if shown a Speedway bike would think its from 1960s/70s/80s (500cc single air cooled)  And I like Speedway!!!!!!!!!!!!  M Edited August 23, 2014 by Mixy230 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Agree with you, Mixy... Â My bellyache has long been the multi-league riders etc. and the other things you mentioned, so we are in agreement. Â What I would prefer, though, is for speedway to try and become more sensible (if you know what I mean) and do away with things, that'd make a non-speedway fan question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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