The Future Of The Elite League

[Alan_Jones]

Scoring double points is no more mickey mouse that being to able to replace your number 7 with a world champion in heat 8 .

 

It is, because one is giving made up points for doing nothing while the other gives a bit more freedom to use your own resources in an otherwise restricted format. The main thing wrong with the old rule, in view of the greater swing it could effect on a meeting, is that a 6 point margin was far too small and that was recognised later in its use. I'd be happy to see it used once or twice a meeting by both sides, irrespective of score, as an addition to the current use of 7 ride ringers at reserve, another rule that I like. What is wrong is the use of any 'tactical' rule by only one side when there is now a perfectly adequate way of awarding extra match points for good away performances.

[moxey63]

Yet again I never said the new rule was fair .

 

 

And I wasn't listening...

 

Least I have a preference for one of the rules.

 

You, on the other hand, feel both rules unfair.

 

Seems like you're a windchime supporter, goes with whatever the wind decides.

 

Double points interfere with the fabric of speedway's almost 100 years' scoring method.

 

Using the football analogy, GD is like double-sizing the goal of the leading team midway through the match, to keep things interesting. It wouldn't happen in football.

 

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Edited August 17, 2014 by moxey63

[orion]

And I wasn't listening on the first four occasions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scoring double points is no more mickey mouse that being to able to replace your number 7 with a world champion in heat 8 .

Sorry where is it in this post that I defend it .I said it no more mickey mouse than the old rule what it is .

Least I have a preference for one of the rules.

 

You, on the other hand, feel both rules unfair.

And that my friend is the point I was making . if don't like unfair and crazy rules then can't like one and not the other . Thanks for proving my point .

[oldace]

Orion is spot on. If we are considering fairness based on both teams using their riders the same amount of times for the same amount of points then both formats are unfair.

 

If we are considering the possible effect the use of either can have on the result then the old tac sub is massively more unfair having the potential to skew a score by 8 points as against the 3 that the current system can

 

Which system do i prefer, the old tac sub rule by a mile. It gave a dimension to team managing not there today. A modern team manager has little more to do than fill in acprogramme

[orion]

And I wasn't listening...

 

Least I have a preference for one of the rules.

 

You, on the other hand, feel both rules unfair.

 

Seems like you're a windchime supporter, goes with whatever the wind decides.

 

Double points interfere with the fabric of speedway's almost 100 years' scoring method.

 

Using the football analogy, GD is like double-sizing the goal of the leading team. It wouldn't happen in football.

 

The TS... well, is more equal, like a team being able to fetch on a sub...

But in football in the Euro cup goals can count double ...if going to start to use sporting analogy you need to start brushing up on your home work other wise your look silly .

Edited August 17, 2014 by orion

[moxey63]

Sorry where is it in this post that I defend it .I said it no more mickey mouse than the old rule what it is .

 

And that my friend is the point I was making . if don't like unfair and crazy rules then can't like one and not the other . Thanks for proving my point .

 

Yippee! I have a friend!

But in football in the Euro cup goals do count double ...if going to start to use sporting analogy you need to start brushing up on your home work other wise your look silly .

 

What are you on about? I was talking about a football match on the pitch, not a two-legged competition to help reinforce your argument.

 

After noticing your 18,000-plus post, I bow to your better understanding of life... or lack of it.

 

I think, my friend, you should partake in the activity of female company more often... or any living person for that matter.

 

Then, trying to win a keyboard row on a wasteless speedway rule... you simply won't have the need.

Edited August 17, 2014 by moxey63

[orion]

Yippee! I have a friend!

 

 

What are you on about? I was talking about a football match on the pitch, not a two-legged competition to help reinforce your argument.

 

After noticing your 18,000-plus post, I bow to your better understanding of life... or lack of it.

 

I think, my friend, you should partake in the activity of female company more often... or any living person for that matter.

 

Then, trying to win a keyboard row on a wasteless speedway rule... you simply won't have the need.

So a Euro game over two legs is not a played on a football pitch a moment a go you told us that a gd rule could happen in any form of football.. the fact is that it does .

 

Why are you trying to result to pointless insults by the way ? if going act like a child by doing this and lose your temper then don't get into a debate in the first place .

Edited August 17, 2014 by orion

[cowboy cookie returns?]

Bottom line is Gents that no matter what you think speedway has massive problems as the crowds get lower & lower each passing year & the product gets worse & worse..........................now us old fans who used to go & no longer go give our views as to why that is and get shot down in flames when maybe the powers that be should be taking note & as I said in my last post I'm 36 so not that old.

Using me as an example I attended speedway for over 20 years & could count on my fingers how many home meetings I missed in that time then I became fed up with the rule book guest riders being used in ever increasing numbers etc etc etc & started to miss meetings to a point that I no longer go.

So my local track as lost me as a paying customer who could well have been supporter for the next 30 to 40 years. it doesn't stop at that because of the fact that as I no longer go my 2 kids will most likely not get introduced to the sport so that is another 2 future supporters that the sport has lost . Now take that model & multiple that over the UK speedway tracks for the last 20 years & you will see the true cost that speedway has paid,

[ColinMills]

Bottom line is Gents that no matter what you think speedway has massive problems as the crowds get lower & lower each passing year & the product gets worse & worse..........................now us old fans who used to go & no longer go give our views as to why that is and get shot down in flames when maybe the powers that be should be taking note & as I said in my last post I'm 36 so not that old.

Using me as an example I attended speedway for over 20 years & could count on my fingers how many home meetings I missed in that time then I became fed up with the rule book guest riders being used in ever increasing numbers etc etc etc & started to miss meetings to a point that I no longer go.

So my local track as lost me as a paying customer who could well have been supporter for the next 30 to 40 years. it doesn't stop at that because of the fact that as I no longer go my 2 kids will most likely not get introduced to the sport so that is another 2 future supporters that the sport has lost . Now take that model & multiple that over the UK speedway tracks for the last 20 years & you will see the true cost that speedway has paid,

carbon copy of myself

this argument/discussion could go on and on..i just dont see how we can be described as dinosaurs, with our viewpoints. not everything modern works..hence rider sharing..

[The White Knight]

carbon copy of myself

this argument/discussion could go on and on..i just dont see how we can be described as dinosaurs, with our viewpoints. not everything modern works..hence rider sharing..

I stood at Brough Park tonight and thought to myself - why am I doing this. I don't like the Rules/Regulations ie: Double Points, Play Offs etc - yes, even down to the Yellow Helmet Cover that I cannot distinguish from the White Helmet Cover under lights.

 

I thought I'm freezing cold, wet and I am really not enjoying this at all.

 

Well - tonight I made a decision. I said earlier that I would pick and choose when I went to Speedway next Season. I have revised my decision - I am finished. My decision had nothing to do with me being cold and wet - I could take that. It was a decent Meeting too. There were NO Tactical Rides etc. I just realised that I could no longer support a Sport that has so totally lost it's credibility and is, if it continues as it is, heading for extinction. I really don't want to watch that.

 

From now on - it is the Armchair for me.....................................................

 

Another 'Oldie' gone - that should please a few on here anyway.

[Trees]

The new rule must be better because there are loads of meetings where it isn't even used, they are the best meetings. And of course afa all the team are concerned they all have much more of a chance to get their 4 rides and earn their wages. Under the old rule the reserves more often than not only got 3 rides. If we have to have tacticals to keep meetings artificially close then I prefer the new system.

[Paulco]

I stood at Brough Park tonight and thought to myself - why am I doing this. I don't like the Rules/Regulations ie: Double Points, Play Offs etc - yes, even down to the Yellow Helmet Cover that I cannot distinguish from the White Helmet Cover under lights.

 

I thought I'm freezing cold, wet and I am really not enjoying this at all.

 

Well - tonight I made a decision. I said earlier that I would pick and choose when I went to Speedway next Season. I have revised my decision - I am finished. My decision had nothing to do with me being cold and wet - I could take that. It was a decent Meeting too. There were NO Tactical Rides etc. I just realised that I could no longer support a Sport that has so totally lost it's credibility and is, if it continues as it is, heading for extinction. I really don't want to watch that.

 

From now on - it is the Armchair for me.....................................................

 

Another 'Oldie' gone - that should please a few on here anyway.

As a speedway fan can you not put who wins or loses , or how they get there , to one side and just enjoy the racing ? My team lost by ten points today , but i had a pint in the bar afterwards quite happy my team tried their best and just lost to a better team on the day . The racing was terrific .

There;s a danger we get too wrapped up in the politics of the sport and forget why we go in the first place

Edited August 17, 2014 by Paulco

[Trees]

My team lost last week, used no tacticals but the racing was great :-)

[Paulco]

My team lost last week, used no tacticals but the racing was great :-

That;s all we want Trees

[RobMcCaffery]

As a speedway fan can you not put who wins or loses , or how they get there , to one side and just enjoy the racing ? My team lost by ten points today , but i had a pint in the bar afterwards quite happy my team tried their best and just lost to a better team on the day . The racing was terrific .

There;s a danger we get too wrapped up in the politics of the sport and forget why we go in the first place

Superb post - if only more thought that way!

 

Not every one can win, but everyone can enjoy the racing. Sadly too many can't enjoy a meeting unless their team's won. When the wins run out, so do they.

Edited August 17, 2014 by rmc

[oldace]

I stood at Brough Park tonight and thought to myself - why am I doing this. I don't like the Rules/Regulations ie: Double Points, Play Offs etc - yes, even down to the Yellow Helmet Cover that I cannot distinguish from the White Helmet Cover under lights.

 

I thought I'm freezing cold, wet and I am really not enjoying this at all.

 

Well - tonight I made a decision. I said earlier that I would pick and choose when I went to Speedway next Season. I have revised my decision - I am finished. My decision had nothing to do with me being cold and wet - I could take that. It was a decent Meeting too. There were NO Tactical Rides etc. I just realised that I could no longer support a Sport that has so totally lost it's credibility and is, if it continues as it is, heading for extinction. I really don't want to watch that.

 

From now on - it is the Armchair for me.....................................................

 

Another 'Oldie' gone - that should please a few on here anyway.

 

That is exactly where I was 8 or so years ago. In all my many years of watching the Aces I can honestly say I never cared one jot about the result. I just wanted a good nights speedway that I felt was value for money. Even back in the day I saw many Aces wins that were dire and many losses that were fantastic nights. Sadly it got to the point that I was almost dreading Monday's coming round thinking i had to go to Belle Vue, like it was my duty to attend. Gradually as the realization dawned that I was no longer enjoying it I stopped attending.

 

 

As a speedway fan can you not put who wins or loses , or how they get there , to one side and just enjoy the racing ? My team lost by ten points today , but i had a pint in the bar afterwards quite happy my team tried their best and just lost to a better team on the day . The racing was terrific .

There;s a danger we get too wrapped up in the politics of the sport and forget why we go in the first place

 

And that is all you want from any kind of afternoon/evening out. You want to enjoy it and for that enjoyment to be commensurate with the amount it cost you. While it is good that you still enjoy whats on offer it is obvious that for many it is simply not good enough anymore hence attendences falling through the floor

[waiheke1]

What would bring you back oldace? The new stadium? Return of star riders to the el? Knowing the meeting would be slickly presented and completed in an hour and a half?

The starting point for reviving the elshould surely be winning back lapsed fans, as if the product is right they should be easier targets than strangers to the sport.

[SteveLyric2]

What has someone deciding not to go to a PL track got to do with 'the future of the EL'??

 

Will it give him more time to post comments on the EL? Oh I do hope not!!

[pandorum]

What has someone deciding not to go to a PL track got to do with 'the future of the EL'??

 

Will it give him more time to post comments on the EL? Oh I do hope not!!

What a silly comment. TWK knows his speedway and is entitled to post as often as he likes about the EL as it's part of the sport he loves.

What does it matter if he prefers PL racing?

His view is as valid as anyone who loves the sport.

Disagree with him by all means but he has as much right to post here as you.

[moxey63]

The White Knight and OldAce are perfect examples of my pattern - I became disillusioned with speedway about eight years ago, so much so that I decided to stop attending.

 

Before that I had routinely gone every week, not really looking forward to it, more I suppose going only because I felt I had to... there was a group of us and if I didn't go, no one went. The pressure was on me.

 

I remember the start of one season, which may have been 2003, the first match was like your gran coming at Christmas... and you had to give her that stomach-wrenching kiss! I didn't want to do it.

 

It wasn't important that Belle Vue were always botttom. What was, was I saw decent speedway and felt like the sport was worth my attending. Eventually, I felt it wasn't.

 

Eight years on, I have SKY but rarely watch speedway. I record all the meetings on disc, but never watch them. Sometimes the match is on in the background, but I don't know what's happening, occasionally taking notice.

 

The funny thing is, I still come on here, still try to compile speedway stat books and the like, still collect old speedway stuff... in fact, I always check ebay for items I may bid on. So it's a strange one.