bigcatdiary Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 But it doesn't mention what it applies to. You have to go by the actual rule, you're trying to add bits which aren't there. C can apply to Longtrack as easily as it could Speedway. Scunny have followed the rulebook - simple as. All the best Rob Scunthorpe have followed procedure and the good old BSPA and SCB have allowed it when the rulebook says NO FACILITY. Yet another classic example of inconsistency and as others have pointed out Rye didn't get anything for TRESARRIEU when he was missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 if baby bjerre is fit and rides the same as the last match this will be a lot closer than people think , Totally agree,Bjerre is one of the best riders of the EWR around,good news he is going to ride,great entertainment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) Scunthorpe have followed procedure and the good old BSPA and SCB have allowed it when the rulebook says NO FACILITY. Yet another classic example of inconsistency and as others have pointed out Rye didn't get anything for TRESARRIEU when he was missing. Now you're just being daft. David Howe was told by the ACU not to ride at Scunthorpe tonight - we have that straight from the rider's mouth. Hence the implementation of 16.5.1 C. Tresarrieu is French. The ACU have no juridstriction over him. For Rye to be granted a facility, it needed to go through the French authorities. Maybe they didn't do that, I don't know. Scunthorpe have done this by the book, contacting all the relevant authorities plenty of time in advance. I can't see how they can blamed if other promotions have not done the same. All the best Rob Edited August 8, 2014 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) Maybe you should also check the rain off fixture between Glasgow and Scunthorpe where RR was being used for both Howe and Piper Not that it has anything to do with you really but as Scunny have been granted a guest you are wrong! Are you really as thick as you are making yourself to be-if you had bothered to check the meeting Howe and Piper missed was actually "the world championship " round (1 of 5 ) Facilities are allowed for that-obviously the BSPA do not recognise the qualifying rounds for next years series as "facility granted" matches(much similar to the SEC meetings) yet suddenly come the "challenge final" Scunthorpe are granted a facility .I`m sure Len Silver and the Rye fans would love to know why they were denied a facility yet Scunthorpe are granted one !!! Edited August 8, 2014 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Are you really as thick as you are making yourself to be-if you had bothered to check the meeting Howe and Piper missed was actually "the world championship " round (1 of 5 ) Facilities are allowed for that-obviously the BSPA do not recognise the qualifying rounds for next years series as "facility granted" matches(much similar to the SEC meetings) yet suddenly come the "challenge final" Scunthorpe are granted a facility .I`m sure Len Silver and the Rye fans would love to know why they were denied a facility yet Scunthorpe are granted one !!! And again I'll ask the question of whether it's because Scunthorpe followed the full procedure and did everything by the book, whereas other promotions did not? A shame you've started resorting to personal insults, but a sure sign you are losing the argument. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Now you're just being daft. David Howe was told by the ACU not to ride at Scunthorpe tonight - we have that straight from the rider's mouth. Hence the implementation of 16.5.1 C. Tresarrieu is French. The ACU have no juridstriction over him. For Rye to be granted a facility, it needed to go through the French authorities. Maybe they didn't do that, I don't know. Scunthorpe have done this by the book, contacting all the relevant authorities plenty of time in advance. I can't see how they can blamed if other promotions have not done the same. All the best Rob I am not knocking that it's been done properly and in accordance with the Governing bodies but it's the inconsistency that stinks and the fact that one rider is French and the other English should make a difference is daft. Either it's allowed or it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Are you really as thick as you are making yourself to be-if you had bothered to check the meeting Howe and Piper missed was actually "the world championship " round (1 of 5 ) Facilities are allowed for that-obviously the BSPA do not recognise the qualifying rounds for next years series as "facility granted" matches(much similar to the SEC meetings) yet suddenly come the "challenge final" Scunthorpe are granted a facility .I`m sure Len Silver and the Rye fans would love to know why they were denied a facility yet Scunthorpe are granted one !!! If im as thick as you say,may i ask why you continue to be proved wrong,Scunny have been granted a guest and David has pointed out the reason,all is as it should be yet you say we should have NL guest? surly the fact that David has come on here and explained and a guest is booked proves you are wrong!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 And again I'll ask the question of whether it's because Scunthorpe followed the full procedure and did everything by the book, whereas other promotions did not? A shame you've started resorting to personal insults, but a sure sign you are losing the argument. All the best Rob Hardly Rob the first to the insults was Long Eye. However I have been around Speedway long enough to know that the BSPA are very hot on riders facilities for Long track meetings(remember Cory Gathercole and Plymouth a few years back do you.? You and others cannot seem to grasp the difference between the 5 long track final rounds and the qualifying for next years competition-ie 2 qualifiers and a challenge final-The BSPA obviously denied rye House a facility for the qualifier(actual day of the meeting) so all us posters are doing is highlighting the inconsistances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) Let be honest, facilities for riders riding around in a field are a bit farcical. Its one thing if it's a higher ranked meeting but no other sport should be higher ranked than speedway. Looking at this, if the ACU have told David not to ride then the rule Rob quoted about FMNs and international duty makes this legal - but it's not fair on Rye House as quoted. You could also argue that any time a rider rides in a SEC qualifier that he, "is recalled with prior notification, by his FMN for compulsory International or National Championship duty." Edited August 8, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 If im as thick as you say,may i ask why you continue to be proved wrong,Scunny have been granted a guest and David has pointed out the reason,all is as it should be yet you say we should have NL guest? surly the fact that David has come on here and explained and a guest is booked proves you are wrong!!! Yes I do say you should have a NL guest-that what the rule book only allows you to have if he is away Longtracking. As I have said before and it`s worth repeating that I am sure that previously the BSPA have not recognised the qualifiers for next year as " facility meetings" (even earlier this season if Rye house were denied a facility. If the rule book read something like "Facilities are only allowed for the day of the long track championships plus the qualifiers and challenge.The only exception is if a rider cannot possibly get to the meeting by riding the previous day then a facility will be granted for the previous day." Is that too simple and straightforward. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Yes I do say you should have a NL guest-that what the rule book only allows you to have if he is away Longtracking. As I have said before and it`s worth repeating that I am sure that previously the BSPA have not recognised the qualifiers for next year as " facility meetings" (even earlier this season if Rye house were denied a facility. If the rule book read something like "Facilities are only allowed for the day of the long track championships plus the qualifiers and challenge.The only exception is if a rider cannot possibly get to the meeting by riding the previous day then a facility will be granted for the previous day." Is that too simple and straightforward. ?? So if you are correct,why are we using a guest? you cant answer that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Let be honest, facilities for riders riding around in a field are a bit farcical. Its one thing if it's a higher ranked meeting but no other sport should be higher ranked than speedway. Looking at this, if the ACU have told David not to ride then the rule Rob quoted about FMNs and international duty makes this legal - but it's not fair on Rye House as quoted. You could also argue that any time a rider rides in a SEC qualifier that he, "is recalled with prior notification, by his FMN for compulsory International or National Championship duty." Good point, although I guess the official response may be that the BSPA/SCB recognise FIM events as "International duty" but not SEC events. Yes, I do see the point about Rye House and Tressarieu, and why they may feel wronged. But surely this has now pointed the direction that Rye or other teams need to take in the future. They need to get the rider involved to directly contact his Federation and for them to order him to ride in the Longtrack meeting. And then 16.5.1 C can be implemented. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 So if you are correct,why are we using a guest? you cant answer that? I can`t answer it-that's why I am querying it -only the BSPA in their wisdom can answer why they have given Scunthorpe a facility-when it goes against what is currently written in the rule book-if the rule had read as I suggested it should read in my previous post then it would all be ok and everyone would be happy. Good point, although I guess the official response may be that the BSPA/SCB recognise FIM events as "International duty" but not SEC events. Yes, I do see the point about Rye House and Tressarieu, and why they may feel wronged. But surely this has now pointed the direction that Rye or other teams need to take in the future. They need to get the rider involved to directly contact his Federation and for them to order him to ride in the Longtrack meeting. And then 16.5.1 C can be implemented. All the best Rob I really cannot see that the BSPA have given Scunthorpe a facility on that rule -as I have stated previously that rule would NOT cover any recall for long track racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) I really cannot see that the BSPA have given Scunthorpe a facility on that rule -as I have stated previously that rule would NOT cover any recall for long track racing. But that's just your own personal intrepretation of the rule. I can't see why it can't be applied to Longtrack, neither can SCB. The rulebook just states "International or National Championship duty". FIM events are recognised by the British authorities - and tomorrow is a FIM event. It could be argued it could be also implemented for e.g. an FIM Ice Racing commitment (not many riders doing both at the moment, but some e.g. Cribby, Erik Stenlund have done so in the past). Nowhere in the rule does say it has to be a Speedway event. All the best Rob Edited August 8, 2014 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 But that's just your own personal intrepretation of the rule. I can't see why it can't be applied to Longtrack, neither can SCB. The rulebook just states "International or National Championship duty". FIM events are recognised by the British authorities - and tomorrow is a FIM event. It could be argued it could be also implemented for e.g. an FIM Ice Racing commitment (not many riders doing both at the moment, but some e.g. Cribby, Erik Stenlund have done so in the past). Nowhere in the rule does say it has to be a Speedway event. All the best Rob Of course it`s my intrepreation of the rule-just like yourself. whoever speaks to a member of the MC first hopefully can ask them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 MEETING RAINED OFF All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 MEETING RAINED OFF All the best Rob Rained off of facility removed-off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) Rained off of facility removed-off? Facility was still in place. Rained off - already raining up there and forecast for tonight is truly dreadful (slow-moving heavy band of rain does not sound encouragaing!!). All the best Rob Edited August 8, 2014 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Hopefully when it is re-run it will involve two full teams. Hats off to David Howe for posting on here to help clear things up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Restaging date is Friday, September 5th (7.30pm). All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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