customhouseregular Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Reigning European Champion and winner of more GP's than half the current GP field, yet he is missing from the series. Get back to where you belong Emil. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 He is happy enough doing the SEC so perhaps this is the best model for a top class championship ....... Are you on a wind up. One Sport the best model for a top class championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Are you on a wind up. One Sport the best model for a top class championship? She has no clue who the backers of One Sport are. As for Emil, I feel for the lad. He's grown up with a dream of being World Speedway Champion and I'm pretty sure that's still what he wants to be.. however, he's clearly being 'leaned on' to put it nicely not to ride in it... which brings us back to my opening line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 She has no clue who the backers of One Sport are. As for Emil, I feel for the lad. He's grown up with a dream of being World Speedway Champion and I'm pretty sure that's still what he wants to be.. however, he's clearly being 'leaned on' to put it nicely not to ride in it... which brings us back to my opening line. Yes she does 😊 It is basically the model I think is best anyhow 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Yes she does It is basically the model I think is best anyhow Oh I see, the 16 riders competing over a series of events to find a champion type model, it is nothing new really, there is another series that uses a similar model as well. Been going a few years and not run by some wannabe mafia type organisation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Yes she does It is basically the model I think is best anyhow Are you aware that the guy that runs the SEC walked his club out of the Polish play off final a couple of years ago because he couldn't get his own way? And has sold Torun because he couldn't get his own way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Are you aware that the guy that runs the SEC walked his club out of the Polish play off final a couple of years ago because he couldn't get his own way? And has sold Torun because he couldn't get his own way? Exactly.. so when he decides who he wants to be World Champion.. you will do as you're told. That's the model Trees wants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Are you aware that the guy that runs the SEC walked his club out of the Polish play off final a couple of years ago because he couldn't get his own way? And has sold Torun because he couldn't get his own way? She just said herself that she is aware who one sport really are. Strange woman, who on earth would think these are right and proper people to run any kind of championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I'm not talking about who owns the comp, only the amount of meetings and tracks they are ridden on .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 IRRELEVANT whether it's BSI or OneSport ... cannot compare a World title with a European one ... as I keep telling Emil! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) IRRELEVANT whether it's BSI or OneSport ... cannot compare a World title with a European one ... as I keep telling Emil! In the grand scheme of things perhaps, but professional riders have bills to pay and perhaps someone is finally questioning why they should ride for a relative pittance to enrich someone else, regardless of whether they're riding in something masquerading as a world championship. Riders should be getting together and negotiating a larger percentage of the SGP takings, but they all seem too short-sighted to work out who's really making the money and of course you're not going to tell them. Reading a good book at the moment about the corruption in College Bowl American football. Amazingly, despite college football generating huge revenue, the bowls are run by private promoters who don't even pay for travel and accommodation for the participating teams, far less any sort of payout to the colleges. Colleges teams do it for the 'prestige' and 'honour' even though they often lose money that has to come out of their academic programmes, yet the bowl 'administrators' still get their huge salaries, rights fees and expenses. The bowl named as being amongst the worst in this respect, not to mention being linked to all sorts of fraud and abuse of its non-for-profit status, was the Sugar Bowl. Have a guess who the rights holders are? Edited April 30, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 In the grand scheme of things perhaps, but professional riders have bills to pay and perhaps someone is finally questioning why they should ride for a relative pittance to enrich someone else, regardless of whether they're riding in something masquerading as a world championship. Riders should be getting together and negotiating a larger percentage of the SGP takings, but they all seem too short-sighted to work out who's really making the money and of course you're not going to tell them. Reading a good book at the moment about the corruption in College Bowl American football. Amazingly, despite college football generating huge revenue, the bowls are run by private promoters who don't even pay for travel and accommodation for the participating teams, far less any sort of payout to the colleges. Colleges teams do it for the 'prestige' and 'honour' even though they often lose money that has to come out of their academic programmes, yet the bowl 'administrators' still get their huge salaries, rights fees and expenses. The bowl named as being amongst the worst in this respect, not to mention being linked to all sorts of fraud and abuse of its non-for-profit status, was the Sugar Bowl. Have a guess who the rights holders are? WOULDN'T argue about the prize money but a good many SGP riders receive very lucrative (by speedway standards at least) sponsorship on the back of the TV exposure provided by the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 WOULDN'T argue about the prize money but a good many SGP riders receive very lucrative (by speedway standards at least) sponsorship on the back of the TV exposure provided by the series. Hence why riders, Emil aside, are keen to maintain their places. Even riders at the lower end with no realistic chance of being world champion have always seemed happy to compete, Andy Smith/Stoney etc. Actually, for a minority sport like speedway I wouldn't consider £8000.00 a bad pick up for an evenings work anyway. BSI run the SGP as a commercial exercise and it grosses, on the face of it, a nice little profit of 1.5 million. Over 12 GPs its approx £125,000 per GP profit. Of course the flagship ones will be responsible for a larger chunk of profit than the others. So in this fantasy world where the riders should be paid footballer type wages where is the money to come from. If BSI were to double the prize money on offer it would eat into two thirds of that profit and the SGP would not be worth their while anymore. In any case the FIM are responsible for the prize money and I suspect they trouser a large amount of readies for doing precisely sod all, if there is an issue with the prize fund it is the FIM who need to address it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) WOULDN'T argue about the prize money but a good many SGP riders receive very lucrative (by speedway standards at least) sponsorship on the back of the TV exposure provided by the series. So you say, but has anyone really done any analysis to back-up this assertion? I'd bet many of the riders would still get the sponsorship by virtue of riding in Poland, and how many are really making a lot of money off the back of being in the SGP? Of course, BSI (in both its pre- and post-IMG incarnations) will tell the riders they're providing a platform for personal sponsorships, because if the riders buy into that (which they largely have until now), it means all the more profit for both them and the FIM. In a lot of other sports though, competitors share a substantial percentage of the overall income from the event, in addition to getting individual sponsorships on the back of their participation. The prize money paid out by the SGP as a percentage of revenue would seem to be quite a lot lower than in other televised sports. Maybe riders and organisers are finally cottoning on... Actually, for a minority sport like speedway I wouldn't consider £8000.00 a bad pick up for an evenings work anyway. Yes, but that's only if you win. A couple of grand for finishing last is unlikely to even cover your travel expenses in most cases. If also look at the average earnings of even the world champion across the season, it probably won't even cover their engine bills. BSI run the SGP as a commercial exercise and it grosses, on the face of it, a nice little profit of 1.5 million. Over 12 GPs its approx £125,000 per GP profit. Of course the flagship ones will be responsible for a larger chunk of profit than the others. So in this fantasy world where the riders should be paid footballer type wages where is the money to come from. If BSI were to double the prize money on offer it would eat into two thirds of that profit and the SGP would not be worth their while anymore. It's clear there isn't the money to pay massive wages, but the SGP effectively makes 3 million profit if you take into account the money paid to the FIM, and IMG also charges BSI nearly a million quid in administrative costs. The prize money could reasonably be doubled, and still leave everyone with a decent profit. In any case the FIM are responsible for the prize money and I suspect they trouser a large amount of readies for doing precisely sod all, if there is an issue with the prize fund it is the FIM who need to address it. No doubt, but it's the old buck passing game. Either way, both organisations appear to be doing quite nicely out of the arrangement, but without the riders there wouldn't be a show and they're the ones getting pretty short-changed. Were we not told though, that IMG were this slick global marketing company that are experienced in leveraging the commercial opportunities and taking the SGP to new heights? Total revenue appears to have hardly changed in the 6-7 years they've been running things, and has probably decreased in real terms if you take inflation into account. Edited April 30, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 WOULDN'T argue about the prize money but a good many SGP riders receive very lucrative (by speedway standards at least) sponsorship on the back of the TV exposure provided by the series.The European championship is on TV not for as many rounds but there's still the same exposure so why do the GP riders get more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The European championship is on TV not for as many rounds but there's still the same exposure so why do the GP riders get moreWell you covered one aspect, being on TV more is likely to equate to more sponsorship. Additionally I expect the viewing audience for GPS is substantially larger than for the euros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The European championship is on TV not for as many rounds but there's still the same exposure so why do the GP riders get more Triple the rounds means three times the exposure... Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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