Humphrey Appleby Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 I hate random though. Whats the point then? There has to be some skill in picking the team. Riders have to be given ratings for passing, gating, team riding etc etc or you may as well signed 7 random riders (as Im sure some promoters are happy to do!) and they have to be used. Well there's an inherent degree of randomness in a real speedway meeting, otherwise the result would be totally predictable. The point is to take the factors that make one rider better than another, but then base your randomness generation on those factors. That way, the odds are that the better rider will win, but it's not a foregone conclusion any more than in a real meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Have you ever played the board game Speedway Scene 2? It's what Flying Shale was based on. Each rider is graded from A+ down to N I think from memory. It was a simple die roll system, where you would roll 2 dice and check the chart of your riders grade to see the result.. The higher the grade of rider, the more spaces they would advance.. some of the numbers would result in some form of problem being encountered such as a fall, engine failure etc. You could use a similar system, but then tailor it a little further per rider, making some better gaters, some more able to overtake on the inside/outside etc... then add a formula in to adjust that result dependant upon the particular track etc. Somewhere back at home I've actually got a very developed system doing just that that accounted for riders ability, the staging track, weather conditions etc that could be quite easily adapted into a computer game.. When I was about 13/14 I would spend hours working on it to get it as realistic as possible! I know a small (very small now) amount of programming and have produced a very very basic simulation of a race using some of those formulas but that's it. I don't have a clue how to take it further and incorporate all the other features of a management game. SCB - you can still download the flying shale game for a free trial, if you want to see what it looks like, basics of how it works etc. http://roogames.co.uk/fs.htm Bwitcher - I only had the original Speedway scene, do you know what the changes make for the 2" version were? I played Speedway Scene endlessly as a kid - so many yeasr on, I can still, tragic as it is, remember pretty much every grading card from A+ down to about G, and tell you every rider from every BL team's grade for the 82 season! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 SCB - you can still download the flying shale game for a free trial, if you want to see what it looks like, basics of how it works etc. http://roogames.co.uk/fs.htm Bwitcher - I only had the original Speedway scene, do you know what the changes make for the 2" version were? I played Speedway Scene endlessly as a kid - so many yeasr on, I can still, tragic as it is, remember pretty much every grading card from A+ down to about G, and tell you every rider from every BL team's grade for the 82 season! Maybe this link may help? http://www.owzatgames.com/c/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=95&products_id=644&zenid=vi24dmm0gpjk7uq8kbh63fmsr7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) SCB - you can still download the flying shale game for a free trial, if you want to see what it looks like, basics of how it works etc. http://roogames.co.uk/fs.htm Ive got a full copy of it, bought it about 10 years ago. Tidy little game with a pretty cool idea but where would be the fun for me just copying someone else concept? Falls and EF's pretty much have to be done that way. My thinking is the rate every rider for gating, passing, team riding, small track confidence, big track confidence, consistency, form, moral, white line ability, outside ability etc etc. It means when you sign a rider you have to look at these things to suit your home track and get some idea how a rider will perform away. It's time consuming giving each rider that rating though Incidentally, the speedway challenge card game is a great way to kill a bit of time. I actually programmed that a few years ago, the only issue is you play against the computer and the computers a bit thick. Edited August 13, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 My thinking is the rate every rider for gating, passing, team riding, small track confidence, big track confidence, consistency, form, moral, white line ability, outside ability etc etc. It would be quite easy to program these factors into an otherwise random number generator. The difficulty is how you'd assess these things in a realistic way (and on an ongoing basis), and working out how much of a factor they are in the outcome of a race. Indeed, these things are very likely to be different from rider-to-rider and track-to-track, but you ultimately have to compromise between complexity and playability, otherwise only the extreme diehards will bother with your game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Ive got a full copy of it, bought it about 10 years ago. Tidy little game with a pretty cool idea but where would be the fun for me just copying someone else concept? Falls and EF's pretty much have to be done that way. My thinking is the rate every rider for gating, passing, team riding, small track confidence, big track confidence, consistency, form, moral, white line ability, outside ability etc etc. It means when you sign a rider you have to look at these things to suit your home track and get some idea how a rider will perform away. It's time consuming giving each rider that rating though Incidentally, the speedway challenge card game is a great way to kill a bit of time. I actually programmed that a few years ago, the only issue is you play against the computer and the computers a bit thick. As Humphrey says, of course all those factors are taken into account, but it will still be a random number generator that is going to drive it. It's not completely random, it's a controlled random. There has to be controlled 'randomness', otherwise the best rider would always win, which as we know doesn't happen in real life. The key is the 'race engine'. Do you just want a race result produced, in which case it would be pretty simple, or do you want the race to be run in stages with text commentary to go with it. All the variables you mention can be built in, with riders having starting values that can adjust during the game, or even during a meeting if conditions change (a weather/track condition built in). The best way to grade the riders is to get some help. Football Manager has folk all around the world provide ratings for the players. In essence they are just fans, you just have to check that nobody has given silly ratings. SCB - you can still download the flying shale game for a free trial, if you want to see what it looks like, basics of how it works etc. http://roogames.co.uk/fs.htm Bwitcher - I only had the original Speedway scene, do you know what the changes make for the 2" version were? I played Speedway Scene endlessly as a kid - so many yeasr on, I can still, tragic as it is, remember pretty much every grading card from A+ down to about G, and tell you every rider from every BL team's grade for the 82 season! I don't know about the changes, but like you I spent hours playing as a kid running whole seasons! Happy Days! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yahoho Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 One other problem with this, as I found with 5-1, was that if you have a development time of 6 months then by the time you get to release the rules have changed and your game is out of date before it even hits the shelves. During the development of 5-1 I had to re-write the match engine 3 times just to take into account the changes made over winter, add into that you now have 2 conference league riders in the elite league teams, I mean it changes every year. They way we decided to overcome this was to build 5-1 into what was effectively a shell. The match engine, the team format, league format, heat / meeting format etc were completely programmable by the user, with a nice little editor. Basically this meant that after the game was released and the rules changed next year, the game could be kept up to date by the user if required. We also started to develop mod tools also so that users could add to the game and increase its functionality with new events and league types. It would effectively be a Speedway Game SDK. You could take 5-1, and build your own speedway game with its core engines. Anyway, this thread now seems to be more like a "How can I make money from a speedway game?" debate. The simple answer is, you wont. I spent over 3 years working on 5-1 around other work and to date it has netted me GBP 0. Is it likely to ever net me anything? No, because so much has changed again since I last picked it up - it would almost be like starting from scratch. We had a team of researchers who supplied stats for us from all leagues I think, a HUGE amount of data, truely incredible. Thats all inaccurate now too, so would they want to do it again? Doubt it. I did have someone contact me not too long ago about taking on 5-1 Speedway from me, and continuing to develop it themselves. I forget who, but basically they wanted it for free. So that went nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlincolncity Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Can anyone remember "riding the boards" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le sorcier Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I lost my copy of Speedway Promoter. Is there any way of getting a copy anywhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlincolncity Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Yea, i had speedway promoter and would love that again. I have recently got a commodore 64 emmulator working on my windows 8 laptop enabling the old games " speedway team championships" and "riding the boards" to play and save in full. Brilliant playing these again after 25 or so years. Great fun. No sign of speedway promoter though to download and run, and with the new windows now, id doubt it would run anyway, think it was windows95 wasnt it? Would need converting to run on 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Speedway Promoter was so much fun With a bit of updating and a bit more in depth everyone would be happy. Edited December 7, 2014 by Hamster00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsTigersBears Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Any1 have a spare copy looking for one for my uncles bday we played the game years ago would be great to surprise him thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Someone needs to do something, this must be the only sport in the world that doesn't have any sort of game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsTigersBears Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Unreal they havnt done one, but been tryin to get speedway promoter n responses av had been poor no1 really helping shame fans dnt look after fans when it comes to speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Charnley Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Would be good to see a speedway promoter game released on ios and android phones. Surely a good market to capture for speedway fans and non speedway fans. Currently playing to f1 manager games on ios which don't have real names but loving the playability of them. Surely some ideas could be takin from them games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Some decent efforts historically, but always proprietary and/or on legacy or obsolete platforms. It's also remarkable that it's never yet been done for smartphones/tablets - could ease boredom during 'sun breaks'... What's needed here is an open source project or two, using cross-platform open source technologies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cj69 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Theres a game for Andriod phones called Speedway Challenge. It has a small management role aswel as racing in meetings. Very addictive. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.com.berobasket.SpeedwayChallenge2016&hl=en_GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I stand corrected! Looks like it's freemium so there could still be a place for an open source 'Speedway Manager' game if the will is there. I stand corrected! Looks like it's freemium so there could still be a place for an open source 'Speedway Manager' game if the will is there. Advertising-supported rather than freemium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Not the same, of course, and no solo variant as far as I know, but MCS is an excellent speedway card game for two or four players. There's a video run through here. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/139728/mcs Edit: The highly-rated football card game Hat-Trick is from the same stable. Edited June 20, 2016 by Fourentee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Wonder if a card type game could be converted to a phone game? Cards dealt by Bluetooth? Any mileage in that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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