SCB Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Lying down in the corner when your team mates behind forcing a rerun..... is it cheating, or making the most of the rules..... It's cheating. But to some the punishment is worth it. Patrick Head (F1 technical guy) once said (and I'm paraphrasing here), "They make the rules, it's my job to push them to the limit and beyond if I can". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 It's cheating. But to some the punishment is worth it. Patrick Head (F1 technical guy) once said (and I'm paraphrasing here), "They make the rules, it's my job to push them to the limit and beyond if I can". Did he not also say 'To go beyond were no man has gone before'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted August 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 All depends how and when it's used, but with the strict testing and punishment on offer, would surely take a fool to use it!! Anyone know what the current punishment is for anyone caught using it. surely no rider would use ilegal fuel in this day and age?....regarding punishment, if Kennetts punishment is anything to go by then a tasty ban would be in order but like I say surely no rider would get caught in this day and age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Im not sure how much proper cheating actually goes do yes we have all seen a rider all off and take a sneaky look,rolling starts,blasting through the tapes etc but isn`t that all part of the game ' Proper cheating" use of drills,bigger engines odd squirt of Nitro etc has i`m sure been done in the past but i`m not sure how much this goes on really One thing that did make me think though is i took a bit of a petrol head to a Scunny meeting a few months ago and he asked me if riders used nitro,,,,when i replied no and asked why he replied " cos i can smell it!!!! if it was a Scunny rider it didnt do much good as we lost!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 It's cheating. But to some the punishment is worth it. Patrick Head (F1 technical guy) once said (and I'm paraphrasing here), "They make the rules, it's my job to push them to the limit and beyond if I can". Paul Starke got fined for it at Plymouth recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I've noticed more and more at Redcar over the last couple of seasons riders going through the tapes on purpose to make a change or have a rider going off a statistically better gate. Sometimes it's obvious that a team will do it. I (along with others around me) predicted that Williamson would when Scunthorpe visited a couple of weeks back and, sure enough, the tapes were broke. Coincidence? I seem to recall a meeting vs Workington a while ago that saw both sides doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 There have always been "big engines" in use and I`m sure nowadays`s is no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Did he not also say 'To go beyond were no man has gone before'? Is that what Matt Ford says? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Paul Starke got fined for it at Plymouth recently. now there's a one,,, seemingly at Berwick v Newcastle last season, can't prove anything, but did look a little bit suspicious ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Ive never once heard anyone condemn Joe Screen doing it in the race when Mark Loram won the World Championship. He clearly shut off on the 2nd bend and let Mark pass him to get the 2nd he needed to guarentee the title. wrong race. That was a heat Mark needed to come second in to progress. Screen let him through then repeatedly blocked any attempt from a young Jarek Hampel to pass That put Mark into the semis where he came 3rd then needed 2nd in the consolation final which he did behind Golllob in front of Wiltshire and Gustafsson. Your point is valid though as if Mark was 3rd behind Screeny he wouldnt have progressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 now there's a one,,, seemingly at Berwick v Newcastle last season, can't prove anything, but did look a little bit suspicious ;-) Yes RD - and on the Television as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Yes RD - and on the Television as well. a used to like him :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 a used to like him :-( Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 There is already a Poole thread set up, not sure why another one has been made 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Shane Parker did it in the most blatant way possible at Stoke a few years ago (When he was riding for Glasgow) Glasgow were 9 down, needing to concede a heat advantage to use a tac ride in heat 14. Stoke rider had already had an EF, and his partner went on to win the race. Parker got to the line on lap 4, stopped, looked up to the refs box, shook his head and turned around, under team orders to make sure that they conceded a heat advantage. Crowd went nuts. I don't blame Parker for that by the way, just team orders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbt Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I remember reading,years ago an article by the great Ivan Mauger,that during the intercontinental final he firgured that where you finished in the meeting transferred to your riding position in the world final,so by finishing in a certain position he got a better draw in the final,so he didn't want to win but finish in what he perceived to be the best position for himself.that is a sort of cheating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Me too. it's funny how you can go off people,,, is'nt it ??? :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Wasn't Leon Madsen suspected of cheating a few years back and the accusation seems to have affected his nominations in the Danish team etc as i can't really remember him getting anything from Stekkers of Secher since the problem arose..... We also had Stekkers accusing the Poles of cheating at one SWC and Olsen also getting involved.But no official protest was made And when Emil burst onto the GP scene there were comments about cheating made by the Sky guys.Again nothing concrete,just rumours.Although i did get a comment that Emil was cheating from one rider. We also i am sure had an article in a paper by Mads accusing riders of cheating,but no names or anything concrete there either as far as i remember Accusations about Smolinski arose this year of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 bruce penhall white city bruce penhall, los angeles coleseum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Hunter Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I remember reading,years ago an article by the great Ivan Mauger,that during the intercontinental final he firgured that where you finished in the meeting transferred to your riding position in the world final,so by finishing in a certain position he got a better draw in the final,so he didn't want to win but finish in what he perceived to be the best position for himself.that is a sort of cheating Yes, 1976 Intercontinental Final at Wembley. Ivan decided not to race Peter Collins in the run-off for the title, as he knew the runner up drew No5 in the Final. PC got 'lumbered' with No11, and of course won the World Championship.... But in all honesty, to call that cheating is a tad harsh. I'd say it's taking advantage of a known situation, and being more mentally alert, rather like Nicki Pedersen in the SWC Final a couple of years ago.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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