Eduds1 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Why the fascination of having to ride abroad to improve riders, Harris seems to be going backwards ( both in ability and on the track ) despite riding abroad 2/3 times a week, others have ridden overseas and not improved a great deal. Most of our top riders in the past only rode abroad on a Sunday and that in grasstrack or longtrack . Why do we keep hearing the excuse for being behind most other nations is the fact that all these young Poles,Swedes,Danes,Australians etc come over here to complete there speedway education by riding different types of track. If this is the case does that mean our young riders are generally poor ( financially or in ability ) or are they too thick to embrace the education of riding the same tracks that are improving all these youngsters from other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Why the fascination of having to ride abroad to improve riders, Harris seems to be going backwards ( both in ability and on the track ) despite riding abroad 2/3 times a week, others have ridden overseas and not improved a great deal. Most of our top riders in the past only rode abroad on a Sunday and that in grasstrack or longtrack . Why do we keep hearing the excuse for being behind most other nations is the fact that all these young Poles,Swedes,Danes,Australians etc come over here to complete there speedway education by riding different types of track. If this is the case does that mean our young riders are generally poor ( financially or in ability ) or are they too thick to embrace the education of riding the same tracks that are improving all these youngsters from other countries. Good questions. Would that I could give you an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Most tracks in World Championship events are big, sweeping tracks that require powerful equipment. Most tracks in the UK aren't. They are of a size that require a certain technique to ride effectively. Indeed, it's worth pointing out that since our glory days in the 1970s, tracks in Britain have got smaller on average, many of the big, flat out British tracks like Hyde Road, Exeter, West Ham, Bradford have closed down. A lot of British tracks also, sited in greyhound stadiums are rather odd shapes, with long straights and tight corners, a far cry from what's seen on the continent. I'd be interested to know how easily our young riders acquire sponsorship as compared to their counterparts in Poland and Denmark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Unless a rider is very lucky financially (parents or sponsors) they have to pay for it themselves. Most sports are, amateur.........All or mostly paid for by working a job, maybe the odd freebie sponsored semi pro.........Earns some start money or prize money,the odd freebie, but has to work full time pro.........Earns a living, maybe needs the odd out of season job or works part time in season (minimum wage for county cricketers 20k at age 20) top earning pro..........Earns enough or a lot!!! In the UK it must be easier to ride EL/PL and make enough money to be full time pro. Nobody will fund them! BSPA etc! J Associations are not there to fund competitors. Why should the BSPA. It does NOT happen on a long=term basis in other sports. Why sjould speedway. Posters seem to think the BSPA should churn cash into all sorts of things - like clubs when they get into financial difficulties. Agan, this does not happen in other sports. There are some bizarre thinkers in "the supporters world of speedway." Edited August 5, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 anyone read rosco 5 yr plan in todays daily star????? omg! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 anyone read rosco 5 yr plan in todays daily star????? omg! No...what's he said ?......I take it you dint agree with much of it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 No...what's he said ?......I take it you dint agree with much of it !its not that i disagree with it, its just clutching at straws with no substance.. he intends (if report is true), to use Ryan Rhodes gym, for fitness, at start of season with get together of 10 riders plus 5 top youngsters...thats about all it says!......lovely "plan"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Watched Swedish League match last night, Chris Harris riding at reserve and failed to win either of the reserve races, think we need to try the young riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 just judging by the past, im not sure riders like cook, worrall, barker. king riding in prem lge helps, hunger, ambition, and top flight should be their intentions. dont recall our world cup champions in 70s cosying up in the 2nd division Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) for me, you need a plan that improves the starting techniques first and foremost.. in the SWC, to be fair to the brits, although last most times they were at least 'on the pace' and they often finished as close to the rider in third as they were when exiting bend two on lap one so didnt often 'get dropped'... quite simply giving a ten yard lead to the opposition in the first 100 yards around the first turns of the race utterly destroys the brit riders' challenge time and time again... maybe someone who can gate like tai or greg hancock could be 'employed' by the bspa to run training days alongside the u21 management team?? not for riders who have 'had their day' and could still be seen by woffinden and hancock as 'rivals' but for the likes of lambert, garrity, lawson, cook, ellis, howarth, the worrall twins etc bike set up and starting techniques could be covered at great length and must surely see an improvement in the riders? do it at somewhere like kings lynn and you can also ensure that the bike set ups are 'big track' oriented... three or four two day sessions of none stop gating, changing set ups, and racing against the likes of woffinden and hancock must be beneficial to the younger brits wouldnt you think? 27 clubs all chipping in a couple of grand each would surely get a 'few' days worth of coaching from one or two of the worlds top stars and must turn out money well invested?? Edited August 7, 2014 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Don't be stupid ....... That sounds like a good plan. It'll never be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Don't be stupid ....... That sounds like a good plan. It'll never be done I know, I know...... Far more time will be spent on working out and arguing what the team averages and the rider replacement rules will be for next year than putting in a robust development plan to deliver future sustained success for the national team... You only have to look at cricket and rugby union to see how a successful national team has had a positive impact to the 'domestic' games attendances.. Both sports were going nowhere until the governing body took total control of their respective sports and ensured that they dictated to the clubs rather than the other way round... Each decision made by the governing bodies in those sports is made first and foremost for the good of the game as a whole and not for any individual team... As you say.... Will never happen in Speedway.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 27 clubs all chipping in a couple of grand each would surely get a 'few' days worth of coaching from one or two of the worlds top stars and must turn out money well invested?? Or get a buy in from fans and sponsors. Actually explain the plan to us, tell us what it's going to cost and how they hope to fund and it you never know - some of us may just be tempted to "be part of " (give them some money) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 In less than a week. A gofundme account has raised nearly £5,000 got the injured Aussie rider Hunter Anderson. The idea of a long weekends training on bike set up etc could possibly benefit from a Gofundme account. It just needs someone to organize it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 FOUND out over the weekend that it costs just £60 per day to have use of the Polonia Stadium in Bydgoszcz and that includes an ambulance in attendance. Could fly out a dozen riders, send bikes by road, and have a few days at one of the best racetracks in the world for much too much money, Plenty of cheap, local accommodation, too. However, the key would still be the personnel doing the teaching, not just in terms of riding, but bike preparation, etc. I have no doubt that a number of companies would be prepared to provide some sponsorship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 FOUND out over the weekend that it costs just £60 per day to have use of the Polonia Stadium in Bydgoszcz and that includes an ambulance in attendance. Could fly out a dozen riders, send bikes by road, and have a few days at one of the best racetracks in the world for much too much money, Plenty of cheap, local accommodation, too. However, the key would still be the personnel doing the teaching, not just in terms of riding, but bike preparation, etc. I have no doubt that a number of companies would be prepared to provide some sponsorship. I wonder why no-one has picked up on this then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 27 clubs all chipping in a couple of grand each would surely get a 'few' days worth of coaching from one or two of the worlds top stars and must turn out money well invested?? Are you trying to bankrupt the clubs. They would never agree to this proposal IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Russian and Polish youngsters get taught properly at speedway schools/clubs. They learn how to ride, prepare bikes, train physically and deal with the media. Kids over here generally get to do a few laps at a practice perfecting their mistakes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Are you trying to bankrupt the clubs. They would never agree to this proposal IMO. yes you are right.... coz that 2k will make all the difference to their solvency won't it?? I would suggest the 100k+ that many currently pay to (mainly) overseas number ones may be a tad bigger threat to their business profitability..? however if 2k is too much then as has been suggested, sponsors may be a source of revenue,?? one thing is for sure though, doing nothing, as has been proved, is certainly not an option anymore.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 yes you are right.... however if 2k is too much then as has been suggested, sponsors may be a source of revenue,?? What exactly would possible sponsors be told they are sponsoring and what benefit would they see from whatever it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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