ruffdiamond Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Give over and move into the 21st century. All the best Rob a was thinking more like the 20th,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Sorry orion, I guess it`s a matter of opinion and we don`t agree but leicester (and a few other EL teams as stands) would get beaten at Armadale, and in leicesters case hammered..... Beyond Doyle (whose record at Armadale aint great) the other 4 of the top 5 would struggle, stead and Klindt would struggle to win any race, just look at Steads performance a few weeks ago, and the reserves would be fodder, though the fast track arrangement makes that comparison unfair. I think the comparison given the watering down of the EL standard this year is difficult to judge, just a pity the old inter league cup is no more as outwith KL and Poole I`d fancy embra at home to anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Sorry orion, I guess it`s a matter of opinion and we don`t agree but leicester (and a few other EL teams as stands) would get beaten at Armadale, and in leicesters case hammered..... Beyond Doyle (whose record at Armadale aint great) the other 4 of the top 5 would struggle, stead and Klindt would struggle to win any race, just look at Steads performance a few weeks ago, and the reserves would be fodder, though the fast track arrangement makes that comparison unfair. I think the comparison given the watering down of the EL standard this year is difficult to judge, just a pity the old inter league cup is no more as outwith KL and Poole I`d fancy embra at home to anyone else. Doyle record is not great ? think your find he's beaten Cook many times at Armadale and he's now a world class rider and bar maybe cook no one would get near him .He is a stand out El number one now unlike Cook . Then you got Stead ,Mads ,Bucks and Klindt who would and are pl number one's . Bar the reserves and the Edinburgh ones are not that good where would they get any heat advantages from ? The Lions other week got a point away to runaway El leaders Kings Lynn but somehow in your eyes they would get hammered by Edinburgh To give you a idea in the gap in class Cook Edinburghs no 1 scored 4 for Belle Vue at the lions den the other week when Belle Vue were smash to bits . Over two legs there would be about a 40 point gap Edited August 6, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 And Doyle has lost to Josh Bates ar Armadale, as seen here last season - http://www.edinburghmonarchs.co/emtv/player2.asp?cat=Racing_2013&id=100086 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 opinions, opinions, we`ll have to disagree then. Doyle has kicked on, you are right and cook has regressed a bit.....but his home PL record remains stellar. Doyle won or was paid for a win last year in 7 out of 19 races at Armadale and beat cook in 4/11 times they met. He`d do better this time i concede. However Stead 10 points from 6 rides a few weeks ago (unsuccessful TR heat 8) and Klindt would struggle, whether Mads and Buzz would like tight turns who knows, but this is the best Monarchs team in years, just check the averages, and they would handle Leicester at home Different story away, where Lions would batter them almost certainly. Heat advantages? Cook/Sedgy and Fricke/Stevie do pretty well at home. cook remains an enigma.....looks like he`s never sat on a bike sometimes in the EL, tentative and pushed aside, different story in the PL where he is head and shoulders better than everyone else, and imperious at armadale when the chips are down. since we`ll never see Leic/Edin this season we can stay biased towards our own leagues i guess. cheers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 And Doyle has lost to Josh Bates ar Armadale, as seen here last season - http://www.edinburghmonarchs.co/emtv/player2.asp?cat=Racing_2013&id=100086 So what we have discovered here is that Leciesters #6 is capable of beating a top 3 PL rider at Edinburgh. Doesn't that mean Leicester wold just be far too strong for Edinburgh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 opinions, opinions, we`ll have to disagree then. Doyle has kicked on, you are right and cook has regressed a bit.....but his home PL record remains stellar. Doyle won or was paid for a win last year in 7 out of 19 races at Armadale and beat cook in 4/11 times they met. He`d do better this time i concede. However Stead 10 points from 6 rides a few weeks ago (unsuccessful TR heat 8) and Klindt would struggle, whether Mads and Buzz would like tight turns who knows, but this is the best Monarchs team in years, just check the averages, and they would handle Leicester at home Different story away, where Lions would batter them almost certainly. Heat advantages? Cook/Sedgy and Fricke/Stevie do pretty well at home. cook remains an enigma.....looks like he`s never sat on a bike sometimes in the EL, tentative and pushed aside, different story in the PL where he is head and shoulders better than everyone else, and imperious at armadale when the chips are down. since we`ll never see Leic/Edin this season we can stay biased towards our own leagues i guess. cheers!! Stead score those points from number 1 . for the Lions he would be a second string . Cook /Sedgy Fricke/Stevie may do well at home but I doubt there v 5 no'1' in the same side every week . like they would be v Leic . Bar the reserves it's almost impossible to see how Edinburgh would get a Heat Advantage let alone a win . Beating up on the Likes of Ricthie Hawkins and Matt Weathers is World apart from taken on riders who are good enough to be picked for there side in World Cup finals . And Doyle has lost to Josh Bates ar Armadale, as seen here last season - http://www.edinburghmonarchs.co/emtv/player2.asp?cat=Racing_2013&id=100086 Great News as Bates rides for the Lions as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 we should really continue this debate in a bar somewhere watching speedway don`t you think? cos we`ve changed the topic from the playoffs headline, anyway lets continue, stead struggled to beat any of the edin top 5, with sheff no1 jacket or lions no2 he would have the same bother. He conceded a 5-1 to Edin in heat 8, (granted stevie was at reserve at the time) Klindt scored 4 from 5 rides guesting for ippo last October in the playoffs, maybe he`d do better, cos he would have to against a better line up. mads and Buzz are unknowns, you may be right , and they would win races, or like so many before them who arrive at armadale for the first time, they would struggle, the closest the EL has would be Arlington for comparison, without the longer straights. I still like our chances at home, and incidently, Stormy would beat Stead and Klindt at armadale himself 7times out of 10, and i would beat Richie hawkins on a push bike, but I digress. Josh Bates did beat doyle last year (fantastic ride) but struggled at other times guesting for us, though his effort was unquestioned. He has not appeared this year yet. Heat advantages? World Cup stars? We haven`t done too badly against stead and danny so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 And Bates seems to have gone backwards since his Monarchs guesting days!! And as for Richie Hawkins............... he takes fright at the border!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 we should really continue this debate in a bar somewhere watching speedway don`t you think? cos we`ve changed the topic from the playoffs headline, anyway lets continue, stead struggled to beat any of the edin top 5, with sheff no1 jacket or lions no2 he would have the same bother. He conceded a 5-1 to Edin in heat 8, (granted stevie was at reserve at the time) Klindt scored 4 from 5 rides guesting for ippo last October in the playoffs, maybe he`d do better, cos he would have to against a better line up. mads and Buzz are unknowns, you may be right , and they would win races, or like so many before them who arrive at armadale for the first time, they would struggle, the closest the EL has would be Arlington for comparison, without the longer straights. I still like our chances at home, and incidently, Stormy would beat Stead and Klindt at armadale himself 7times out of 10, and i would beat Richie hawkins on a push bike, but I digress. Josh Bates did beat doyle last year (fantastic ride) but struggled at other times guesting for us, though his effort was unquestioned. He has not appeared this year yet. Heat advantages? World Cup stars? We haven`t done too badly against stead and danny so far You make a good case are give you that ..this convo really makes me want to see the match now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Agreed, and we`d both enjoy it with some fine deuchars...... regarding playoffs, if Edin top the standings (somerset could still catch them) then getting Berwick/worky would be nice leaving the rebels, Ippo, Peterborough or scunny to fight out the other mini group. This would ensure good attendances in the North, before hopefully a repeat of last years grand final, and a slightly different result, dedicated to our old friend joe tabaka. Not looking forward to a wrestling match with the M5 again though............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 From Berwick e-Nesletter this morning: The Premier League table makes interesting reading this morning. With several clubs having matches in hand the actual table has a lop-sided look, but on adjusted performance the mighty Monarchs continue to lead on a +19 rating, your very own Bandits last night moved into second position on +15 and Somerset are holding steady at +12. No other club has currently anything better than +4 (Ipswich, Scunthorpe and Workington are at that mark) to offer as of right now. Interestingly, Edinburgh, Somerset and your Bandits all have to race each other during the coming week, and when the Shielfield dust settles after the Rebels' visit on August 16th, the situation might be clearer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 There is a very real possibility, that with all these rain offs a team could qualify for a play-off place by the cut off date, yet at the end of the season, when all the PL have been run finish outside the top six, maybe even win the PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 There is a very real possibility, that with all these rain offs a team could qualify for a play-off place by the cut off date, yet at the end of the season, when all the PL have been run finish outside the top six, maybe even win the PL. that sounds like very good news to me :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 There is a very real possibility, that with all these rain offs a team could qualify for a play-off place by the cut off date, yet at the end of the season, when all the PL have been run finish outside the top six, maybe even win the PL. You could be right - AND they would be called League Champions. :rofl: :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted August 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Much as it pains me to say it I think the ultimate playoff winners are already sitting at the top of the league ! Unless of course they suffer a load of injury problems which I wouldn't wish on any team no matter who they are . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 And people say this is a professional sport. It's just a big joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Cannot see Workington making the play offs now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Cannot see Workington making the play offs now. Should be no Play Offs until every team have played roughly equal amount of meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Should be no Play Offs until every team have played roughly equal amount of meetings If that were to happen we would still be going at Xmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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