Baldyman Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I would have thought the idea of the play offs is to keep some clubs from going out of business. If a club is say currently in eighth but can still make the play off, then surely that helps to keep fans interested and turning up. If the the old system the team again in say eighth was out of the title race after a couple of months, would all the fans keep turning up? No they wouldn't. So they are there to help the lower placed teams in business in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted August 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I just knew when I started this thread asking peoples opinions on who would make the playoffs that it had to go down the top team should be champions route at some point. Â As it has I will chip in with my opinion, I agree that if it's a "league" then the team who finish top should be champions. However as the playoffs have been introduced and are here to stay for the foreseeable future I think we should just go along with it in the knowledge that half the team's will still be in with a shout of achieving something. Â Doesn't necessarily make it right but that's how it is I'm afraid for those who don't like it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I would have thought the idea of the play offs is to keep some clubs from going out of business. If a club is say currently in eighth but can still make the play off, then surely that helps to keep fans interested and turning up. If the the old system the team again in say eighth was out of the title race after a couple of months, would all the fans keep turning up? No they wouldn't. So they are there to help the lower placed teams in business in my eyes. SPORT or Business. Â I go to watch Sport - not Business. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I used to think it was a sport, but with some of its stupid rules and some teams not doing all they can to win, now I just see it as an entertainment business. I'm only talking about league speedway,Iindividual speedway I still class as a sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 SPORT or Business. Â I go to coventry/lakeside to watch Sport - not Business. quite agree, for the fans its sport, for the promotion, its there business, to make it a success. i dont go along with the theory of extra revenue. attendances are down all over the place, clearly the product isnt right..the play offs for edinburgh fans must be dragging on, they clearly just waiting til october, hence, i would imagine "some" edinburgh fans are missing games all over the summer as they are just waiting for the REAL stuff...so what they gain in october, is only what they are losing now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I'm sorry - I don't agree. A few years ago Coventry won the League so called 'Play Offs' despite finishing the League programme TWENTY SIX Points behind the actual Team that finished TOP over the Season. You explain to me how that can be justified - because I, as a Supporter just CANNOT see it. Â All this "they knew the Rules at the start of the Season" is just so much flannel, it also may be true - but crucially - it doesn't make it RIGHT!!! Because Speedway teams make money out of the play offs the sort of money that keeps clubs open . There are many other reasons but if it keeps speedway teams alive then it's easy to see why it's justified SPORT or Business. Â I go to watch Sport - not Business. Unless the Business is ran well then you won't be able watch any sport . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 if you had promotion/relegation, like proper sports, the interest would be there for bottom clubs..if your bottom of E.L., the finance cant be that much different to those at top of prem lge..teams running in elite on around the 600 mark cant be much different to that top of prem pay scales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 if you had promotion/relegation, like proper sports, the interest would be there for bottom clubs..if your bottom of E.L., the finance cant be that much different to those at top of prem lge..teams running in elite on around the 600 mark cant be much different to that top of prem pay scales But it's not like other sports because teams as a rule don't want to run or can't run in each others league . Also it was tried before and it never worked . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) the last attempt was a disaster..it wasnt taken serious, and a typical half hearted attempt.. not sure why they "dont want to, or cant run" in another league..think you would find clubs who WANTED to stay up, wouldnt just see out the season. if you want big crowds at end of season, im sure a meaningful relgation battle would draw them in Edited August 5, 2014 by ColinMills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 the last attempt was a disaster..it wasnt taken serious, and a typical half hearted attempt.. not sure why they "dont want to, or cant run" in another league..think you would find clubs who WANTED to stay up, wouldnt just see out the season. if you want big crowds at end of season, im sure a meaningful relgation battle would draw them in It's not hard to figure out as Most Pl would not get the crowds or money to run at El level . if they wanted to go up they could now so not why big crowds would turn out for a match that they would want to lose ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 It's not hard to figure out as Most Pl would not get the crowds or money to run at El level . if they wanted to go up they could now so not why big crowds would turn out for a match that they would want to lose ?eastbourne? there crowds? i dont see a large gap in crowd difference, nor standard, of bottom e.l. team.....the real problem is the stupid rider sharing merri-go-round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 eastbourne? there crowds? i dont see a large gap in crowd difference, nor standard, of bottom e.l. team.....the real problem is the stupid rider sharing merri-go-round You don't so you reckon that Edinburgh would beat Eastborne etc ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 You don't so you reckon that Edinburgh would beat Eastborne etc ?clearly i didnt say that, and eastbourne are not bottom....you are talking one/two at most, riders that edinburgh would require..yes it would cost them a bit more, but is speedway gonna be kept in a time warp? or is someone gonna grab this sport by the balls and make it respectable?..its ticking over, and ONLY JUST ticking over..all im saying is, the leagues have probably never been closer..there should be an incentive to end in higher position possible as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 As much as some of their fans on here are a tad strange there is no doubt Edinburgh are the best team over the season and are worthy champions.  Play offs are just daft but i see the 'money' side of it.  What happens in the last 'league' meeting if Cook and say Worrall get injured and cant ride in the play offs and another team win it? Sorry in my eyes its wrong  As an Ipswich fan we could (possibly but unlikely) be a beneficiary of any Edinburgh bad luck but the best team should be league champions and through gritted teeth in 2014 that is the Edinburgh Monarchs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted August 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Comparing the level of the lower Elite teams to that of the better Premier league teams would be quite bizarre this season . For a start the racecard format is totally different and secondly quite a few of the fast track reserves wouldn't even come close to cutting it in the Premier ! Granted that alot of the Elite 2nd string already ride Premier anyway so the only real difference is in the quality of the No1's . If you did have some kind of relegation/promotion system such that we once had what system could possibly be used ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Comparing the level of the lower Elite teams to that of the better Premier league teams would be quite bizarre this season . For a start the racecard format is totally different and secondly quite a few of the fast track reserves wouldn't even come close to cutting it in the Premier ! Not really . A El team would still smash a pl team to bits 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I used to think it was a sport, but with some of its stupid rules and some teams not doing all they can to win, now I just see it as an entertainment business. I'm only talking about league speedway,Iindividual speedway I still class as a sport. World Wide Entertainment (Speedway) - WWE!!! :sad: Problem is Baldyman - you are right. Â So this is how low Speedway has sunk. :sad: Â I never thought I'd see the day. Â When is the 'Royal Rumble' by the way? Just so I can give it a miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Play-offs enhance many sports , Rugby League , Ice Hockey , Basketball to name but 3 . Why shouldn't speedway bring it's season to a spectacular end . I'd go even further and have the semi finals and final on a neutral track on the same weekend . Imagine going down to somewhere like Kings Lynn this season and having Edinburgh v Peterborough followed by Ipswich v Berwick on the Saturday . Then the 3rd place meeting followed by the final on the Sunday . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Play-offs enhance many sports , Rugby League , Ice Hockey , Basketball to name but 3 . Why shouldn't speedway bring it's season to a spectacular end . I'd go even further and have the semi finals and final on a neutral track on the same weekend . Imagine going down to somewhere like Kings Lynn this season and having Edinburgh v Peterborough followed by Ipswich v Berwick on the Saturday . Then the 3rd place meeting followed by the final on the Sunday . That is an opinion - NOT a fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 That is an opinion - NOT a fact. Is a forum not just about opinions ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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