Tom Turner Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 strange opinion! Think 99% of speedway fans expected Newman Garrity and Kerr to be miles ahead of everyone so I'm not sure what you were thinking. The surprises for me are Blackbird and Steve Worrall coming back to form Kyle was crap for most of 2013, even by his own admission. He only started to come on right at the end of last season which is exactly the reason why nobody saw fit to exclude him from the draft. His performances in Elite League up to that point had been not much better than Hopwood was this year. An opinion probably shared by most fans who saw Kyle ride often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I really hope Woffinden wins the World Championship. Top man in Sweden and 5th in the Ekstraliga He should have done what Holder did and not bothered with UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Have u not seen Kings Lynn ride then? They are flying everywhere. Poole were average when bees beat them home & away, however I'm not looking forward to welcoming Kings Lynn to Brandon. Seen them 3 times this year. Their top five is not as strong as Poole's, it's at reserve where they often win matches, you just have to look at last nights result. If Newman continues his good form, i cant see beyond the Pirates tbh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Kyle was crap for most of 2013, even by his own admission. He only started to come on right at the end of last season which is exactly the reason why nobody saw fit to exclude him from the draft. His performances in Elite League up to that point had been not much better than Hopwood was this year. An opinion probably shared by most fans who saw Kyle ride often. you say that, but he's riding mostly against inferior riders now, so he's bound to clean up so to speak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 you say that, but he's riding mostly against inferior riders now, so he's bound to clean up so to speak. I agree to an extent, he has much lesser competition now, but he has shown he can hold his own against decent second string riders now which he certainly wasn't capable of last year. A lot of people are saying Kyle shouldn't of been in the draft this year, but there is not a chance he would be half as good as he is now without it. Typical really, everybody bleats on about how the draft system will help develop British riders, and then as soon as one starts benefiting from it they bleat on about how he should never of been included in the first place! Speedway fans for you! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I dont we need to think poole will win the play offs on the back of a meeting against a very poor team, I thought pk would ride well but I cant remember him riding so badly it was quite sad really, thought we would have some good races but only got one, track seemed well prepared but there seemed to be a rut on third bend. Tai still on track when they came round looked dangerous and he showed his petulant side just as darcy did at kings lynn but tonight darcy was terrific and probably would like the next gp at monmore. i think he was shocked it wasnt stopped but i dont think he was petulant at all certainly not in the way Darcy was at Lynn. Darcy looked class last night but the commentators went a tad overboard about heat 13. Darcy was lining up the inside run for 2 laps as Pawlicki kept drifting out coming out of bend 2. Tai was even pointing for him to stay low. Darcy done well to get by but it was made easy for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsc1 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 i think he was shocked it wasnt stopped but i dont think he was petulant at all certainly not in the way Darcy was at Lynn. Darcy looked class last night but the commentators went a tad overboard about heat 13. Darcy was lining up the inside run for 2 laps as Pawlicki kept drifting out coming out of bend 2. Tai was even pointing for him to stay low. Darcy done well to get by but it was made easy for him Getting fed up with some on here keep going on about polish and Swedish tracks being loads better than EL tracks well all I can say go to wolves where the raceing is on par or better........ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 A lot of people are saying Kyle shouldn't of been in the draft this year, but there is not a chance he would be half as good as he is now without it. He ended last year on a 5.32 average for Somerset. He's currently on 5.39 for Plymouth. So he's not improved at all. Getting fed up with some on here keep going on about polish and Swedish tracks being loads better than EL tracks well all I can say go to wolves where the raceing is on par or better........ Spot on. Wolves is a brilliant race track. Heat 13 yesterday was as good a race as you'll ever see, anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 He ended last year on a 5.32 average for Somerset. He's currently on 5.39 for Plymouth. So he's not improved at all. I think what you mean to say SCB is his Premier League average hasn't improved at all (and if you want to be funny about it, it has actually improved by 0.07). As a rider he has come on leaps and bounds. He has developed from a rider who could just about keep the bike straight for 4 laps to a rider who is confident in trying out different lines and going on the attack rather than just trying to hold on to his gate position. He has picked up essential confidence and experience which as undoubtedly made him a better rider. I would of thought you of all people would be able to see when a rider has improved, especially considering the injuries he has picked up which definitely took their toll on some of his performances this year. This year has without a doubt been his most valuable year in speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 The most dangerous thing is that nobody expecte Poole to win the league title, Lynn are the clear standout favorites and that's when the Pirates are at their most dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 He ended last year on a 5.32 average for Somerset. He's currently on 5.39 for Plymouth. So he's not improved at all. Spot on. Wolves is a brilliant race track. Heat 13 yesterday was as good a race as you'll ever see, anywhere. keeping it below 6 , then he'l be able to line up at reserve again next year..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adder Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Bit off-topic so apologies but does anyone know if PK wears his glasses under his goggles whilst racing? The missus asked me last night and I must admit that I hadn't a clue!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I think what you mean to say SCB is his Premier League average hasn't improved at all (and if you want to be funny about it, it has actually improved by 0.07). As a rider he has come on leaps and bounds. He has developed from a rider who could just about keep the bike straight for 4 laps to a rider who is confident in trying out different lines and going on the attack rather than just trying to hold on to his gate position. He has picked up essential confidence and experience which as undoubtedly made him a better rider. I would of thought you of all people would be able to see when a rider has improved, especially considering the injuries he has picked up which definitely took their toll on some of his performances this year. This year has without a doubt been his most valuable year in speedway. Just not seeing sorry. I ike Kyle and have done since I saw him in a second half about 5 years ago now - always been a tenacious little battler but the only way we can judge improvement is to compare this year to last and the average say he hasn't improved. 0.07 is not improvement - thats 2 points over a season (or a point over the half of season we've had so far) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I don't think he doe Bit off-topic so apologies but does anyone know if PK wears his glasses under his goggles whilst racing? The missus asked me last night and I must admit that I hadn't a clue!! I don't think he does, but doesn't he have some sort of 'built in' lenses in his goggles? Or....perhaps I've just imagined reading this somewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Getting fed up with some on here keep going on about polish and Swedish tracks being loads better than EL tracks well all I can say go to wolves where the raceing is on par or better........ where did i mention anything about polish and swedish tracks?? Wolves is the best racing strip in the elite league at the moment Im not really getting this 'Kyle newman has improved' line. His average is the same in premier as it was last year. In the elite league he is expected to clean up at reserve most of the time so is doing his job. If his riding had improved i would be expecting him to be holding down a heat leader role in the premier. Admittedly its better experiance being around the likes of Darcy but has he got better as a rider? Not really He ended last year on a 5.32 average for Somerset. He's currently on 5.39 for Plymouth. So he's not improved at all. Spot on. Wolves is a brilliant race track. Heat 13 yesterday was as good a race as you'll ever see, anywhere. First point spot on Second point spot on Third point not so sure - heat 13 was good and the best part was the skill Darcy used for 2 laps watching Pawlicki keep drifting wide and picking his moment. The pass itself was fairly simple up the inside as if there was only 1 rider. The heat when Pawlicki and Janowski team rode Woffy was a first class example of how to team ride unlike Piotr and Tai. Woffy had no way through where as Darcy had half the width of a straight. Still it was class racing from Darcy to be in the right place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnir Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Bit off-topic so apologies but does anyone know if PK wears his glasses under his goggles whilst racing? The missus asked me last night and I must admit that I hadn't a clue!! Nope, he doesn't wear them when racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Just not seeing sorry. I ike Kyle and have done since I saw him in a second half about 5 years ago now - always been a tenacious little battler but the only way we can judge improvement is to compare this year to last and the average say he hasn't improved. 0.07 is not improvement - thats 2 points over a season (or a point over the half of season we've had so far) I think over the first part of the season as a whole you are right. Recently, however, maybe not. I saw him for Plymouth home and away against Somerset the other week and its undoubtedly the best I have seen him ride, particularly taking into account the fact that the Rebels are pretty strong opposition- at home, especially. He did well at OTA and banged in a maximum at SBA where he never looked like being beaten. Then he gets a hatful for Poole last night. He could be a trump card for Poole later in the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) As a neutral observer last night I have to say that the score line did not tell the whole story and i was impressed with the amount of passing and close racing .That said i was unhappy with Tai last night have watched him ride in most of the GP this season going from terrible to being in a position of retaining his title.I have to say that he appears to put EL racing at the bottom of his priorities and if this be the case then why bother,if he earns more else where then that's where he should be.Ward ( not my favourite rider) was stunning last night and his riding made the match for me ,the general standard of racing was good across the board and Poole were worthy winners .As a lifelong PK fan I am starting to wonder what's going on he looks at ease on the bike seems prepared to mix it but can't gate to save his life ( at least not last night) I just wonder whether he may just of hit a wall that many sportsmen do .I keep hoping that the tide will turn and at least some of the old magic will return nip and tuck for the lead not sqabbling over third place as he was last night.IMO he would appear to not have the speed and confidence in his machinery to put himself about enough or it could quite simply be his time is up as it were .From my own point of view I hope not ,where is the the rider that clean up the big open meetinfg at Wolves early this season ,if he is still there now is the time to show yourself Edited August 5, 2014 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 To be fair, up until the very end of last season Kyle was pretty rubbish in general. Nobody could of known how well he would go on to perform this season. Yes they could. Kyle has `form` in the EL - as he has proved over the previous past 2 seasons with some match winning scores. So it is no surprise at all that he is cleaning up in reserve. He should be! He will ride where he wants to - asset or not! Remember the Miedzinski saga? They all ride where they want to. But he chose Wolves and not Poole. And he clearly loves it at Wolves, cant see any reason why he would want to change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 i think he was shocked it wasnt stopped but i dont think he was petulant at all certainly not in the way Darcy was at Lynn. Darcy looked class last night but the commentators went a tad overboard about heat 13. Darcy was lining up the inside run for 2 laps as Pawlicki kept drifting out coming out of bend 2. Tai was even pointing for him to stay low. Darcy done well to get by but it was made easy for him Poole team rode woffy out in a previous race until tai got second on the line darcy showed how you beat two riders that are team riding and yes I was at the meeting watching tai still on the track as the riders came round just trying to get heat stopped which is what darcy did, maybe tai didnt get so upsetafterwards but last night wasnt world cup riding for your country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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