Starman2006 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Only idiots would sugest Poole need changing they have 1 weak point the number 7 that may hold them back a bit, but if the 3 heat leaders fire , and the fact that along with Lynn they have the strongest 2 and 4 in the league means they may make the final, though will be interesting should they meet Coventry in the semis We'l blow them away mate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 We'l blow them away mate.. Arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Arrogance. Nah, just confident. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Nah, just confident. Stars are still the team of the year. Hope they knock your confidence for six. But good luck all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Stars are still the team of the year. Of course they are.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedcrazy Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Don't want to sound like I am hating on Woffy but Tai just got 11 points in sweden. Shows where his priorities lie then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee 26 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 How did PK get on tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 How did PK get on tonight? 2pts from 3 rides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Completely disagree with all this nonsense about Kyle Newman not improving as a rider. His premier league average is just a number, it cannot accurately gauge improvement as it is taken literally and cannot factor in certain mitigating circumstances like his mid-season injury caused by possibly the biggest accident he has had as a rider. Now I don't know about you, but that would certain knock my confidence for a while. Kyle Newman has without a doubt improved this season and become a better rider through the draft system, and it was no doubt the right decision to include him in the list. A perfect example of the draft system working. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I really hope Woffinden wins the World Championship. Top man in Sweden and 5th in the Ekstraliga He should have done what Holder did and not bothered with UK I think many people are saying that's exactly what Woffinden has done! And I wouldn't disagree. So many commitments, one of them is just bound to be lowest priority. His very "chilled" responses during the interviews showed that up loud and clear - as long as he got the chance to wave the Monster bottle around. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 His very "chilled" responses during the interviews showed that up loud and clear - as long as he got the chance to wave the Monster bottle around. He can't win. He's "chilled" now but show any passion and riders are arrogant and need to grow up etc. It's no good letting it wind you up, rubbish is happening, move on. Maybe he's just not into the smaller tracks, maybe he's got his mind set into that of big, continental style of speedway. Obviously it may just be he felt he had to sign for Wolves as he feels he owed Adams after he's taken him under his wing as a mentor. Its all very odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Completely disagree with all this nonsense about Kyle Newman not improving as a rider. His premier league average is just a number, it cannot accurately gauge improvement as it is taken literally and cannot factor in certain mitigating circumstances like his mid-season injury caused by possibly the biggest accident he has had as a rider. Now I don't know about you, but that would certain knock my confidence for a while. Kyle Newman has without a doubt improved this season and become a better rider through the draft system, and it was no doubt the right decision to include him in the list. A perfect example of the draft system working. How is it working ? Protected rides in the Elite are not as competitive as most Prem Lge races, and averages don't lie.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 How is it working ? Protected rides in the Elite are not as competitive as most Prem Lge races, and averages don't lie.. It's all about experience. The more time they can get racing the better. Sometimes time is all you need to get better, but Premier League isn't giving riders enough rides to gain this experience. I have said before I would prefer a stronger league without the draft system, but it does seem the draft system is a good way to give those riders the extra "leg up" they need to get better. It is not all about point scoring. A year in the draft system isn't going to turn any rider into a superstar, it's not going to make a poor rider brilliant overnight, but it does give them the chance to practice and learn from their mistakes so next season when they return to Premier or Elite league they can focus on putting their experience to the test, rather than making the mistakes they would otherwise have not learned from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capone Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 woffy was rested recently cos he was tired.....after this performance seems like he just RETIRED ....maybe just saving himself for the big individual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 How is it working ? Protected rides in the Elite are not as competitive as most Prem Lge races, and averages don't lie.. Newman's beaten quite a few decent 2nd strings as well as the 'protected' reserves!! 13+1 on Monday on an away track wasn't just against FT reserves!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Newman's beaten quite a few decent 2nd strings as well as the 'protected' reserves!! 13+1 on Monday on an away track wasn't just against FT reserves!! But Newman is top end of the draft, and is a decent rider, so i'm not surprised. Kyle is key to the Pirates play off chances, as you have the strongest top five imo.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Completely disagree with all this nonsense about Kyle Newman not improving as a rider. His premier league average is just a number, it cannot accurately gauge improvement as it is taken literally and cannot factor in certain mitigating circumstances like his mid-season injury caused by possibly the biggest accident he has had as a rider. Now I don't know about you, but that would certain knock my confidence for a while. Kyle Newman has without a doubt improved this season and become a better rider through the draft system, and it was no doubt the right decision to include him in the list. A perfect example of the draft system working. Flawed argument i am afraid. It isn't JUST a number. The sport and riders abilities ARE judged by the numbers (averages). Injuries are perhaps the only mitigating circumstance but the average (and form) at the time of injury will given real evidence. Newman has been doing these sort of EL reserve performances for the past 2 seasons. Last seasons Play offs against Birmingham anyone? From an EL perspective he SHOULD be more dominant (given he is the most experienced draft rider on the list). He hasn't dominated meetings like Kerr or Blackbird have so i would question if that indicates he has shown improvement. At PL level he has ridden in a more responsible role at Plymouth so by maintaining his average he has pretty much showed minimal improvement. Hopefully next year the likes of Birks/Auty/Newman SHOULD all be included as leaving ANY promising Brit that is still making progress and with a sensible age cut off (26 at most). The draft system is a great idea and i hope we give ALL the riders suitable a chance to shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Hopefully next year the likes of Birks/Auty/Newman SHOULD all be included as leaving ANY promising Brit that is still making progress and with a sensible age cut off (26 at most). The draft system is a great idea and i hope we give ALL the riders suitable a chance to shine. My hope is that next season we maintain the draft but move the top 5 or 6 up into the 1-5 and have a rule that a 2014 draft rider has to be in a clubs 1-5. I'd also include Auty, Birks and Roynon in the 1-5 list. Auty, Birks and Roynon on their last EL averages while the others would be 3.00 (as they have no previous EL average) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Flawed argument i am afraid. It isn't JUST a number. The sport and riders abilities ARE judged by the numbers (averages). Injuries are perhaps the only mitigating circumstance but the average (and form) at the time of injury will given real evidence. Newman has been doing these sort of EL reserve performances for the past 2 seasons. Last seasons Play offs against Birmingham anyone? From an EL perspective he SHOULD be more dominant (given he is the most experienced draft rider on the list). He hasn't dominated meetings like Kerr or Blackbird have so i would question if that indicates he has shown improvement. At PL level he has ridden in a more responsible role at Plymouth so by maintaining his average he has pretty much showed minimal improvement. Hopefully next year the likes of Birks/Auty/Newman SHOULD all be included as leaving ANY promising Brit that is still making progress and with a sensible age cut off (26 at most). The draft system is a great idea and i hope we give ALL the riders suitable a chance to shine. Not at all, it is very much just a number. The riders may be judged by their average when it comes to building a team and their contribution to the team but it does NOT accurately determine whether or not a rider has improved. I could understand that argument if it were a rider on his way down and it was important for him as his future lies within that league, but when it is what I would call an "up and coming rider" like Kyle Newman who is aiming to be the best at his game, his Premier League average probably means rather little to him as he is aiming to surpass the Premier League. A real racer is not interested in simply getting a bit better at what they already do, they want to try new approaches, new lines and learn from every mistake they make. That is in my opinion the only way to master your sport. You cannot become the master of any field before making every mistake in it first. Although his average has not increased in Premier League, that is in no way a reflection of his skill as a rider. The Kyle Newman I have seen this year is a much better all rounded racer than the year before. I would put a wager on that he will add 2 points to his premier league average next season (barring injury) due to the skills he has developed in this years draft system. Newman shouldn't even been in the draft considering he had EL experience under his belt before the start of the season I disagree entirely. Why shouldn't he? He may of had experience in the Elite League, but before his play off performance he was pretty rubbish! Riding out of your depth in a few Elite League matches doesn't make you a better rider, and certainly shouldn't be excluded from the draft system in that case. If that were the case then riders who might be tempted to try their hand at Elite League racing would thing twice as they would be better off waiting for a draft position. Why slow down their progression as a rider because they have ridden in a match above their present level? Edited August 6, 2014 by Charizard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 My hope is that next season we maintain the draft but move the top 5 or 6 up into the 1-5 and have a rule that a 2014 draft rider has to be in a clubs 1-5. I'd also include Auty, Birks and Roynon in the 1-5 list. Auty, Birks and Roynon on their last EL averages while the others would be 3.00 (as they have no previous EL average) Indeed the likes of Roynon are prefect examples of riders that should be included. I would be happy with the top 1 - 10 (dependent on how many teams in EL) race at number 6 but can move into the main team if there average increases. Keep the number 7 for pure draft riders who need extra experience. Maintain a 3 point average through-out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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