Wolves V Pirates 4/8 (pk Is Back)

[Tom Turner]

 

 

Indeed the likes of Roynon are prefect examples of riders that should be included.

I would be happy with the top 1 - 10 (dependent on how many teams in EL) race at number 6 but can move into the main team if there average increases.

Keep the number 7 for pure draft riders who need extra experience. Maintain a 3 point average through-out.

 

Sounds like a good system to me, but what will happen when a number 6 moves up in to the main team. Would they need to pick another FT rider to fill his spot?

 

I don't think years riding or age should play a big part in the selections, I think it should only be based on the last couple of years of their career. If they have been riding badly or failed to hold a team position then they should have the chance to improve through the draft system imo, even if they have previously ridden at a higher level. Some riders could really benefit from the extra rides to get back on track.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Charizard

[stevebrum]

 

Not at all, it is very much just a number. The riders may be judged by their average when it comes to building a team and their contribution to the team but it does NOT accurately determine whether or not a rider has improved.

 

Improvement is subjective anyway.

You could say a rider improved the previous season but not deemed `improved enough` to take a risk in the EL or main body.

Improvement i agree cannot be measured accurately, however over the course of a few seasons it can assist with making a `fair` judgement as a manager AND supporter.

 

Sounds like a good system to me, but what will happen when a number 6 moves up in to the main team. Would they need to pick another FT rider to fill his spot?

 

I don't think years riding or age should play a big part in the selections, I think it should only be based on the last couple of years of their career. If they have been riding badly or failed to hold a team position then they should have the chance to improve through the draft system imo, even if they have previously ridden at a higher level. Some riders could really benefit from the extra rides to get back on track.

 

 

This should be a season of re-adjusting the FT system.

The top 10 (eg) start the season at number 6 but included in the main 1-6, so effectively not FT riders next season. They EARN a place in the EL by being the best riders from this season`s draft.

Therefore there is no need to replace him IF he moves into the main team. The lowest in the 1-5 drops down to reserve as happens in other leagues.

[Fromafar]

PK is going to damage his Legend status at Monmore if that's the best he can do,Woffy just doesn't looked interested.

[stratton]

Flawed argument i am afraid.

It isn't JUST a number. The sport and riders abilities ARE judged by the numbers (averages).

Injuries are perhaps the only mitigating circumstance but the average (and form) at the time of injury will given real evidence.

Newman has been doing these sort of EL reserve performances for the past 2 seasons. Last seasons Play offs against Birmingham anyone?

From an EL perspective he SHOULD be more dominant (given he is the most experienced draft rider on the list). He hasn't dominated meetings like Kerr or Blackbird have so i would question if that indicates he has shown improvement.

At PL level he has ridden in a more responsible role at Plymouth so by maintaining his average he has pretty much showed minimal improvement.

 

Hopefully next year the likes of Birks/Auty/Newman SHOULD all be included as leaving ANY promising Brit that is still making progress and with a sensible age cut off (26 at most).

The draft system is a great idea and i hope we give ALL the riders suitable a chance to shine.

I totally disagree figures can be very misleading they can be false.I have seen Kyle a few times this year live and on tv not as much as some on here so they would have more of a rounded view than i.But he certainly has improved as a rider also Kyle may be suited to the EL more than the PL some riders are different.Going back years as examples the likes of Holloway,Hunt, were no world beaters in the NL but went on to be good established second strings in a mega tough BL.Where the likes of Lawson,Hollingworth,Jackson, Ferreira,(riders i liked)never cut it in the tougher league.

[BWitcher]

PK is going to damage his Legend status at Monmore if that's the best he can do,Woffy just doesn't looked interested.

 

 

 

Being not interested you'd just cruise along at the back, not be involved in wheel to wheel races.

[stratton]

Flawed argument i am afraid.

It isn't JUST a number. The sport and riders abilities ARE judged by the numbers (averages).

Injuries are perhaps the only mitigating circumstance but the average (and form) at the time of injury will given real evidence.

Newman has been doing these sort of EL reserve performances for the past 2 seasons. Last seasons Play offs against Birmingham anyone?

From an EL perspective he SHOULD be more dominant (given he is the most experienced draft rider on the list). He hasn't dominated meetings like Kerr or Blackbird have so i would question if that indicates he has shown improvement.

At PL level he has ridden in a more responsible role at Plymouth so by maintaining his average he has pretty much showed minimal improvement.

 

Hopefully next year the likes of Birks/Auty/Newman SHOULD all be included as leaving ANY promising Brit that is still making progress and with a sensible age cut off (26 at most).

The draft system is a great idea and i hope we give ALL the riders suitable a chance to shine.

I totally disagree figures can be very misleading they can be false.I have seen Kyle a few times this year live and on tv not as much as some on here so they would have more of a rounded view than i.But he certainly has improved as a rider also Kyle may be suited to the EL more than the PL some riders are different.Going back years as examples the likes of Holloway,Hunt, were no world beaters in the NL but went on to be good established second strings in a mega tough BL.Where the likes of Lawson,Hollingworth,Jackson, Ferreira,(riders i liked)never cut it in the tougher league.

It's all about experience. The more time they can get racing the better. Sometimes time is all you need to get better, but Premier League isn't giving riders enough rides to gain this experience.

 

I have said before I would prefer a stronger league without the draft system, but it does seem the draft system is a good way to give those riders the extra "leg up" they need to get better. It is not all about point scoring.

 

A year in the draft system isn't going to turn any rider into a superstar, it's not going to make a poor rider brilliant overnight, but it does give them the chance to practice and learn from their mistakes so next season when they return to Premier or Elite league they can focus on putting their experience to the test, rather than making the mistakes they would otherwise have not learned from.

Great post and Auty is a prime example he is not getting the rides the sharpness to put right his mistakes being busy keeping sharp is the key Kyle has benefitted from this and its great to see.

[Fromafar]

Being not interested you'd just cruise along at the back, not be involved in wheel to wheel races.

True,but even his interview was bit laid back.Dont get me wrong think Woffy is a class act but not sure what he is thinking regarding Wolves this season,he hasn't been great IMO .He made it look good on Monday.

[stevebrum]

I totally disagree figures can be very misleading they can be false.I have seen Kyle a few times this year live and on tv not as much as some on here so they would have more of a rounded view than i.But he certainly has improved as a rider also Kyle may be suited to the EL more than the PL some riders are different.Going back years as examples the likes of Holloway,Hunt, were no world beaters in the NL but went on to be good established second strings in a mega tough BL.Where the likes of Lawson,Hollingworth,Jackson, Ferreira,(riders i liked)never cut it in the tougher league.

 

As misleading as some fans who say so and so rider is the next World Champion or can beat riders much better than him.

I have seen Kyle on at least 4 occasions (EL/PL) and has generally done better in the EL than the PL. For him to truly be considered as `moving forward` he needs to start looking more dominant in a much inferior league.

As a rider he looks smooth and accomplished but progress over the past 3 seasons has been steady without any spectacular progress.

 

 

True,but even his interview was bit laid back.Dont get me wrong think Woffy is a class act but not sure what he is thinking regarding Wolves this season,he hasn't been great IMO .He made it look good on Monday.

 

Herein lies the issue.

On the surface all appears OK.

His inability to score consistently in the EL is baffling and only Tai knows why.

[stratton]

As misleading as some fans who say so and so rider is the next World Champion or can beat riders much better than him.

I have seen Kyle on at least 4 occasions (EL/PL) and has generally done better in the EL than the PL. For him to truly be considered as `moving forward` he needs to start looking more dominant in a much inferior league.

As a rider he looks smooth and accomplished but progress over the past 3 seasons has been steady without any spectacular progress.

 

 

 

 

Herein lies the issue.

On the surface all appears OK.

His inability to score consistently in the EL is baffling and only Tai knows why.

Total rubbish Lawson,Hollingworth,Jackson,Fiala,(ect) as examples were never BL full timers were terrific at Div 2 level never quite conquered the higher level.Kyle can improve his average at PL level but i would imagine he would want to push on in his EL career horses for courses maybe Newman is more suited to the EL?

[stevebrum]

Total rubbish Lawson,Hollingworth,Jackson,Fiala,(ect) as examples were never BL full timers were terrific at Div 2 level never quite conquered the higher level.Kyle can improve his average at PL level but i would imagine he would want to push on in his EL career horses for courses maybe Newman is more suited to the EL?

 

 

You could say it is total rubbish that who knows how your examples would have got on in Div 1 if they had the ambition too!

What Kyle does in the future is up to the lad.

The stats and evidence of his career over the past 3 seasons suggests small progress.

[Leicester Hunter]

 

 

You could say it is total rubbish that who knows how your examples would have got on in Div 1 if they had the ambition too!

 

You could, but having seen all four riders Sidney has mentioned, I have to say I thought Karl Fiala was the best of the lot, and would have done rather well. It wasn't about speedway ambition for him, he retired abruptly at the end of the 1980 season, and I believe returned to Austria to help run the family engineering business.

 

 

 

 

What Kyle does in the future is up to the lad.

 

Absolutely.

 

 

 

 

The stats and evidence of his career over the past 3 seasons suggests small progress.

He is doing very well at EL level, but that's more to do with the 'like for like' racing there, whereas the PL still employs the old meeting format.

 

Look at someone like Ben Morley. He's also doing well at Lakeside, but on his infrequent PL outings he can't even seem to buy a point, mainly due to the different match formulas.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Leicester Hunter

[stevebrum]

 

He is doing very well at EL level, but I that's more to do with the 'like for like' racing there, whereas the PL still employs the old meeting format.

 

Look at someone like Ben Morley. He's also doing well at Lakeside, but on his infrequent PL outings he can't even seem to buy a point, mainly due to the different match formulas.

The likes of Kyle, Garrity, Kerr, Blackbird should all be scoring very well as they are higher graded and rightly so.

Hopefully the experience for the likes of Morley (who has impressed me every time i see him) will make more difference next season.

Some definitely are improving racing `similar` abilities but of course it really is up to the PL to be part of this big plan and hopefully things will progress further next season.

[RobMcCaffery]

You could, but having seen all four riders Sidney has mentioned, I have to say I thought Karl Fiala was the best of the lot, and would have done rather well. It wasn't about speedway ambition for him, he retired abruptly at the end of the 1980 season, and I believe returned to Austria to help run the family engineering business.

 

Absolutely.

 

He is doing very well at EL level, but that's more to do with the 'like for like' racing there, whereas the PL still employs the old meeting format.

 

Look at someone like Ben Morley. He's also doing well at Lakeside, but on his infrequent PL outings he can't even seem to buy a point, mainly due to the different match formulas.

Karl's departure at the beginning of 1981 was a true shock and mystery to us all at Rye House and it meant he never took the chance to find out if he could have made it in the top league.

 

Bear in mind he only rode five full seasons. He stayed in Britain though and is now a successful businessman. In the past few years he's rediscovered speedway as I'm sure Facebook users will be very aware.

[stratton]

You could say it is total rubbish that who knows how your examples would have got on in Div 1 if they had the ambition too!

What Kyle does in the future is up to the lad.

The stats and evidence of his career over the past 3 seasons suggests small progress.

Willliamson at Scunny another example his average is terrible but he has often been in the mix in decent positions can he learn from his mistakes and progress.Who knows? another example on how figures can be false the figures tell me Kyle has made minimal progress but my eyes tell me he is a better all round speedway rides being race sharp and confidence brings that. Edited August 7, 2014 by sidney

[FAST GATER]

 

 

 

Being not interested you'd just cruise along at the back, not be involved in wheel to wheel races.

I take your point but he should have scored more than he did on Monday,he had some bad luck in a couple of races I have nothing but admiration for him as a rider but his EL scoring is baffling to say the least .

[T.N.T.]

The fast track riders are being lifted into a false sense of achievement in many levels but in riders like Garrity, Kerr, Blackbird and Newman you have riders way above the NL standard that most are at and hopefully will develop a bit more in the Premier League next season while doubling up in the EL.

 

There needs to be just one fast track rider next season if it is to continue to give them more of a test against second strings and also allow riders that are struggling to drop to reserve to ride alongside them.

 

 

Set a limit for six riders and then one draft rider but hopefully the PL will step up and give more chances to NL riders by also having a draft rider or make reserves British at least

[Trees]

Why doesn't someone put Woffy on spot and ask him outright why he's having such a bad season over here but not in Europe, perhaps the Wolves mic man could, all Wolves fans want to know the answer?

[Aces51]

I doubt he knows why. If he did I'm sure he would have done something about it by now. No rider wants to ride badly.

[stevebrum]

Willliamson at Scunny another example his average is terrible but he has often been in the mix in decent positions can he learn from his mistakes and progress.Who knows? another example on how figures can be false the figures tell me Kyle has made minimal progress but my eyes tell me he is a better all round speedway rides being race sharp and confidence brings that.

 

And hopefully Kyle will kick his career onwards and upwards if this improvement is so self evident. Time will tell no doubt.

[Trees]

I doubt he knows why. If he did I'm sure he would have done something about it by now. No rider wants to ride badly.

of course not, I don't suppose he would tell if he is spending only what he is earning either for instance?