stratton Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 perfectally reasonable response and if so fair point. Newman in my mind is beating the riders he regularly should at reserve and the occasional scalp of riders riding at 2 and 4 like last night. Different kettle of fish say against Lynn and Porsing and Lambert. Lets be honest only Newman, Garrity, Worrall, Kerr and Blackbird are capable of beating the riders at 2 and 4.Its called debating Starman and having a reasoned argument If you cant use figures then how do you judge improvement. i agree his style is better and he is learning more but improvement score wise? not really I use my eyes and judge on there riding,is he riding different lines? is he better on the bike? Is he putting himself in better positions in a race?.The fast track thing really if we are being honest is not working, the suspects we all name they are good anough to be there but how many are there who are not good anough?I will judge Kyle when he tries to bridge the gap and be good anough to be in a 1/5 a tough ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 perfectally reasonable response and if so fair point. Newman in my mind is beating the riders he regularly should at reserve and the occasional scalp of riders riding at 2 and 4 like last night. Different kettle of fish say against Lynn and Porsing and Lambert. Lets be honest only Newman, Garrity, Worrall, Kerr and Blackbird are capable of beating the riders at 2 and 4. Its called debating Starman and having a reasoned argument If you cant use figures then how do you judge improvement. i agree his style is better and he is learning more but improvement score wise? not really Kyle has beaten Lambert and Porsing at Poole and took Porsings scalp at KL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Then we will have to differ but i ask one question how the world champ has the average he has got in what is said to be a watered down league ? and he has every chance of retaining his title against the best in the world in the GP'S Now you're changing the subject completely. You were talking about last nights meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Kyle has beaten Lambert and Porsing at Poole and took Porsings scalp at KL. oh he is capable definatly just in my eyes they are possibly the strongest 2 and 4 in the league apart from Josh and Milik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 So now not only is only sick in the uk he is only unlucky in the uk as well . I'm talking about this meeting only. Of course he has under performed over the season in the UK, but in last nights meeting he was unlucky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) perfectally reasonable response and if so fair point. Newman in my mind is beating the riders he regularly should at reserve and the occasional scalp of riders riding at 2 and 4 like last night. Different kettle of fish say against Lynn and Porsing and Lambert. Lets be honest only Newman, Garrity, Worrall, Kerr and Blackbird are capable of beating the riders at 2 and 4. Its called debating Starman and having a reasoned argument If you cant use figures then how do you judge improvement. i agree his style is better and he is learning more but improvement score wise? not really Kyle's alround riding has improved a hell lot in the last two years,but the basics were always there as a kid in the National league, score wise, not really? He wouldn't have been scoring double figure returns two year ago and yes, i take my hat off to you for appluading both Magic and Darcy. Magic has always openly said he hates wolves, but its not rocket science for a rider of his abillity to master the track. I said on our forum a long long time ago now, when he wins his first race round monmore he'l be away.. Contary to what some say, riding monmore is not Rocket science.. Darcy, well, is just Darcy.. Yep your quite right, all the above mentioned could ride at 2-4, this is what Kyle needs now, to race against riders who can beat him, because thats the only way he's going to climb the ladder, unfortunately, the league is not set up that way this year, but im very happy to see him score that sort of return all day long. Edited August 5, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Kyle's alround riding has improved a hell lot in the last two years,but the basics were always there as a kid in the National league, score wise, not really? Nobody is talking about where he was 2 years ago. For 18 months of that he was not part of the FTD so it's not proof that the FTD is working :/ All we can judge on is that between joining the draft and now his average has changed 0.07. He might look better and place himself in better position, and have a lovely sponsor and a snazzy haircut but ultimately speedway is about scoring points and he's not doing that any better now than last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 He wouldn't have been scoring double figure returns two year ago Nor would he be scoring double figures now if the format hadn't changed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Nobody is talking about where he was 2 years ago. For 18 months of that he was not part of the FTD so it's not proof that the FTD is working :/ All we can judge on is that between joining the draft and now his average has changed 0.07. He might look better and place himself in better position, and have a lovely sponsor and a snazzy haircut but ultimately speedway is about scoring points and he's not doing that any better now than last season. Agree in a way, BUT would you off been impressed if Newman stayed around the OTA and averaged 6.5-7.00 around a track where he loves, and obviously rides well, or would you rather have him push himself and challenge himself around a small track where he has said, he doesn't like and needs to improve on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Agree in a way, BUT would you off been impressed if Newman stayed around the OTA and averaged 6.5-7.00 around a track where he loves, and obviously rides well, or would you rather have him push himself and challenge himself around a small track where he has said, he doesn't like and needs to improve on? Plymouth is a track he has a reasonable record at anyway. As it is his home average this season is higher than last years but his away average has dropped. The more I look into it the less I am impressed by all this "improvement", he's actually got worse on the neutral away tracks!! If this is proof the FTD is improving riders then frankly it's pathetic. I could point you to probably a dozen better examples. The statement I responded to was, "A lot of people are saying Kyle shouldn't of been in the draft this year, but there is not a chance he would be half as good as he is now without it." As for starmans comments about his improving the last 2 years. His 2012 average was 6.23 and up to a month ago it 5.77. Yikkes! Thats weird improvement you have down Dorset way He's gone backwards! even in 2011 he averaged 5.60 Edited August 5, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 No Darcy didnt show how to overtake 2 team riders. Pawlicki and Janowski were fantastic team riding with Pawlicki slowing and blocking Tai to allow Janowski to catch up going into the corners. Pawlicki and Tai didnt team ride and each lap left a huge gap up the inside which Ward eventually took. If Pawlicki and Tai team rode properly he wouldnt have got past so easy. Darcy rode well no getting awy from that but to say he showed Woofy how to pass team riding is basically not correct. The Poole pair team rode superbly. The Wolves pair didnt, im sure if Prez and Magic team rode like Tai and Piotr then Tai would have passed them as he was much faster I disagree Darcy always looked like he would pass them whereas tai looked like he didn't know how to, i agree that Tai and piotr needs some team riding lessons from Janowski and his elder brother who showed a welcome return to form. anyway onwards and upwards team looking good, certainly dont need changes whatever some on here say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Plymouth is a track he has a reasonable record at anyway. As it is his home average this season is higher than last years but his away average has dropped. The more I look into it the less I am impressed by all this "improvement", he's actually got worse on the neutral away tracks!! If this is proof the FTD is improving riders then frankly it's pathetic. I could point you to probably a dozen better examples. Fair enough, I've no doubt you've got all the stats to hand anyway, I was just playing devils advocate. I do think Kyle is a talent, but have a feeling he is close to peaking soon. Also says a lot that, Lewis Blackbird debuts tomorrow night in the Danish League, don't think any other FTD have done that step yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 The statement I responded to was, "A lot of people are saying Kyle shouldn't of been in the draft this year, but there is not a chance he would be half as good as he is now without it." Isn't that the idea. Or does it not work like that oop Coventry way.. why shouldn't have Kyle been in the draft? I know, he rides for Poole.. You can bleat all you like with figures, but Kyle is a far better allround rider than he was 2 year ago. Of course, i forgot, you watch him every week, don't you... not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) I'm talking about this meeting only. Of course he has under performed over the season in the UK, but in last nights meeting he was unlucky. No offence but you said he unlucky v Belle Vue when scored 3 the other week then the next meeting he was sick now this week he is unlucky again . Edited August 5, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) No offence but you said he unlucky v Belle Vue when scored 3 the other week then the next meeting he was sick now this week he is unlucky again . No, he was sick against Belle Vue. He didn't ride in the next meeting. Then last night he wasn't gating, battled hard and had some bad luck. Of course he should be doing better, but lack of effort last night wasn't the reason for is score. Edited August 5, 2014 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish keeper Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Tai as been off his game nearly all season never mind last night. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) I disagree Darcy always looked like he would pass them whereas tai looked like he didn't know how to, i agree that Tai and piotr needs some team riding lessons from Janowski and his elder brother who showed a welcome return to form. anyway onwards and upwards team looking good, certainly dont need changes whatever some on here say. we will agree to disagree i think the Wolves boys left Darcy an awful amount of room to go through. Granted you have to be in the right position on the race track to take advantage and Darcy was which i praised him on. i just think the Poole boys rode a masterclass of a race especially the older Pawlicki slowing the race up as Tai buzzed round them. Tai was so close Pawlicki had to wind it on in the last lap to prevent Tai going past both and sacrifice the point. Only idiots would sugest Poole need changing they have 1 weak point the number 7 that may hold them back a bit, but if the 3 heat leaders fire , and the fact that along with Lynn they have the strongest 2 and 4 in the league means they may make the final, though will be interesting should they meet Coventry in the semis Edited August 5, 2014 by Gavan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 we will agree to disagree i think the Wolves boys left Darcy an awful amount of room to go through. Granted you have to be in the right position on the race track to take advantage and Darcy was which i praised him on. i just think the Poole boys rode a masterclass of a race especially the older Pawlicki slowing the race up as Tai buzzed round them. Tai was so close Pawlicki had to wind it on in the last lap to prevent Tai going past both and sacrifice the point. Only idiots would sugest Poole need changing they have 1 weak point the number 7 that may hold them back a bit, but if the 3 heat leaders fire , and the fact that along with Lynn they have the strongest 2 and 4 in the league means they may make the final, though will be interesting should they meet Coventry in the semis I have been more and more impressed with milik every time I see him, truly terrific rider who I first saw at the gp challenge where he gave his all on a particularly ropey track, he never shirks a challenge thats for sure so exciting to watch and josh is now on a similar average to milik and he has done superbly, I cant see matt replacing two riders who give their all and both have a higher average than thj. Not saying thj is crap because he isnt but barring injuries it would be stupid to replace them and whatever matt ford is, fool he isnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) we will agree to disagree i think the Wolves boys left Darcy an awful amount of room to go through. Granted you have to be in the right position on the race track to take advantage and Darcy was which i praised him on. i just think the Poole boys rode a masterclass of a race especially the older Pawlicki slowing the race up as Tai buzzed round them. Tai was so close Pawlicki had to wind it on in the last lap to prevent Tai going past both and sacrifice the point. Only idiots would sugest Poole need changing they have 1 weak point the number 7 that may hold them back a bit, but if the 3 heat leaders fire , and the fact that along with Lynn they have the strongest 2 and 4 in the league means they may make the final, though will be interesting should they meet Coventry in the semis ...and that's finally been put right with the approval of Compton for Johnson, after Compton's signing was submitted to and approved by BSPA prior to injury back in April!! Edited August 5, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 i agree that Tai and piotr needs some team riding lessons from Janowski and his elder brother Generally they have rode pretty well together from the odd blip - last night was one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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