Wolves V Pirates 4/8 (pk Is Back)

[stevebrum]

Poole team rode woffy out in a previous race until tai got second on the line darcy showed how you beat two riders that are team riding and yes I was at the meeting watching tai still on the track as the riders came round just trying to get heat stopped which is what darcy did, maybe tai didnt get so upsetafterwards but last night wasnt world cup riding for your country

 

And the result was the same.

[salty]

Poole team rode woffy out in a previous race until tai got second on the line darcy showed how you beat two riders that are team riding and yes I was at the meeting watching tai still on the track as the riders came round just trying to get heat stopped which is what darcy did, maybe tai didnt get so upsetafterwards but last night wasnt world cup riding for your country

Wouldn't say Darcy showed us how to beat two riders team riding, more a case of the Wolves riders showing us how not to team ride. Pawlicki drifted far too wide.

 

As for Kyle, he was always going to one of the strongest FTR's. I would guess that, though not the oldest, he probably had the most experience (in terms of matches riden in the PL and EL) of the 20 at the start of the season. If it hadn't been for the nasty injury he had at the start of the season, Poole would probably be a lot closer to Lynn in the table.

Edited August 5, 2014 by salty

[TheReturn]

As a neutral observer last night I have to say that the score line did not tell the whole story and i was impressed with the amount of passing and close racing .That said i was unhappy with Tai last night have watched him ride in most of the GP this season going from terrible to being in a position of retaining his title.I have to say that he appears to put EL racing at the bottom of his priorities and if this be the case then why bother,if he earns more else where then that's where he should be.Ward ( not my favourite rider) was stunning last night and his riding made the match for me ,the general standard of racing was good across the board and Poole were worthy winners

Interesting comments. Tai did look off form last night, but I don't know if that is still an illness/form thing or him not giving the EL 100%, but last season when injured he rode for Wolves when most riders would have focussed on their GPs only, so in the past he was loyal to his league clubs.

 

However, your are selective about your argument there, you did not pick up something Ward said in interview. I am not sure of his actual wording, but it was along the lines of 'I don't like going flat out in a meeting like this usually'. I am not totally sure what he meant, but it did suggest he was saying the Elite League was not his priority to go all out for.

[Pirate Nick]

Interesting comments. Tai did look off form last night, but I don't know if that is still an illness/form thing or him not giving the EL 100%, but last season when injured he rode for Wolves when most riders would have focussed on their GPs only, so in the past he was loyal to his league clubs.

 

However, your are selective about your argument there, you did not pick up something Ward said in interview. I am not sure of his actual wording, but it was along the lines of 'I don't like going flat out in a meeting like this usually'. I am not totally sure what he meant, but it did suggest he was saying the Elite League was not his priority to go all out for.

I think Darcy may have been referring to his injury. Not taking risks in league meetings.

[TheReturn]

I think Darcy may have been referring to his injury. Not taking risks in league meetings.

Fair enough, then yes what he said makes sense now.

[stevebrum]

I think Darcy may have been referring to his injury. Not taking risks in league meetings.

 

So same thing really. Prioritising GP`s and Poland/Sweden!

[therefused]

Just not seeing sorry. I ike Kyle and have done since I saw him in a second half about 5 years ago now - always been a tenacious little battler but the only way we can judge improvement is to compare this year to last and the average say he hasn't improved. 0.07 is not improvement - thats 2 points over a season (or a point over the half of season we've had so far)

agreed, he has been around quite a few years now and is still at the same level he was 3 years ago. however, his experience alone should be seeing him beat a vast majority of the fast track riders as they are mostly national league level riders with limited experience.

[FAST GATER]

Interesting comments. Tai did look off form last night, but I don't know if that is still an illness/form thing or him not giving the EL 100%, but last season when injured he rode for Wolves when most riders would have focussed on their GPs only, so in the past he was loyal to his league clubs.

 

However, your are selective about your argument there, you did not pick up something Ward said in interview. I am not sure of his actual wording, but it was along the lines of 'I don't like going flat out in a meeting like this usually'. I am not totally sure what he meant, but it did suggest he was saying the Elite League was not his priority to go all out for.

It was not my intention to be selective I assumed that ward was referring to his on going injuries and taking too many risks ,that could mean a long lay off or even curtail his career .I am under no illusions that GP riders will always give that series priority over league racing but there still has to be a reasonable level of commitment from paid professionals at the end of the day IMO.

[Starman2006]

where did i mention anything about polish and swedish tracks??

 

Wolves is the best racing strip in the elite league at the moment

Im not really getting this 'Kyle newman has improved' line.

 

His average is the same in premier as it was last year.

 

In the elite league he is expected to clean up at reserve most of the time so is doing his job.

 

If his riding had improved i would be expecting him to be holding down a heat leader role in the premier.

 

Admittedly its better experiance being around the likes of Darcy but has he got better as a rider? Not really

 

 

 

We don't expect any pludits from you. But tell me something, do you watch Kyle EVERY WEEK? my guess is not. So don't talk about something you know nothing about. Sod his PL average, Kyle has steadily improved as a rider in the EL for the last two years. Take that wig off, you might see better...

Edited August 5, 2014 by Starman2006

[marko]

Sad to see how PK is riding at the moment, i thought the other week when he was on fire in Sweden he must have cracked it and it would be business as normal again but yet that now seems a blip.

I dare say confidence is an issue but i also can't help feel that skill on a bike counts for so little now because it seems if you don't have a good engine or set up you will not score any points no matter how hard you try or how clever you ride.

 

Another reason for having standardized bikes, then you will see who the best riders are.

Edited August 5, 2014 by Claret73

[BWitcher]

As a neutral observer last night I have to say that the score line did not tell the whole story and i was impressed with the amount of passing and close racing .That said i was unhappy with Tai last night have watched him ride in most of the GP this season going from terrible to being in a position of retaining his title.I have to say that he appears to put EL racing at the bottom of his priorities and if this be the case then why bother,if he earns more else where then that's where he should be.Ward ( not my favourite rider) was stunning last night and his riding made the match for me ,the general standard of racing was good across the board and Poole were worthy winners

 

 

I'm sorry, I just cannot see where these allegations of lack of effort from Woffinden are coming from. Perhaps you think it's a deliberate plan to miss the gate and then get involved in trying to pass people is somehow a safer way to go about things?

 

He simply wasn't gating well last night, in the two races he DID gate, one he had his chain knocked of and the other a team riding error from Pawlicki left him stranded.

Sad to see how PK is riding at the moment, i thought the other week when he was on fire in Sweden he must have cracked it and it would be business as normal again but yet that now seems a blip.

I dare say confidence is an issue but i also can't help feel that skill on a bike counts for so little now because it seems if you don't have a good engine or set up you will not score any points no matter how hard you try or how clever you ride.

 

Another reason for having standardized bikes, then you will see who the best riders are.

 

That's motorsport, it's always been that way and always will.

[stevebrum]

. But tell me something, do you watch Kyle EVERY WEEK? my guess is not. So don't talk about something you know nothing about.

 

 

So that goes for everyone who doesn't watch Tai every week.

[Gavan]

Poole team rode woffy out in a previous race until tai got second on the line darcy showed how you beat two riders that are team riding and yes I was at the meeting watching tai still on the track as the riders came round just trying to get heat stopped which is what darcy did, maybe tai didnt get so upsetafterwards but last night wasnt world cup riding for your country

No Darcy didnt show how to overtake 2 team riders.

 

Pawlicki and Janowski were fantastic team riding with Pawlicki slowing and blocking Tai to allow Janowski to catch up going into the corners.

 

Pawlicki and Tai didnt team ride and each lap left a huge gap up the inside which Ward eventually took. If Pawlicki and Tai team rode properly he wouldnt have got past so easy.

 

Darcy rode well no getting awy from that but to say he showed Woofy how to pass team riding is basically not correct.

The Poole pair team rode superbly.

The Wolves pair didnt, im sure if Prez and Magic team rode like Tai and Piotr then Tai would have passed them as he was much faster

[FAST GATER]

 

I'm sorry, I just cannot see where these allegations of lack of effort from Woffinden are coming from. Perhaps you think it's a deliberate plan to miss the gate and then get involved in trying to pass people is somehow a safer way to go about things?

 

He simply wasn't gating well last night, in the two races he DID gate, one he had his chain knocked of and the other a team riding error from Pawlicki left him stranded.

 

That's motorsport, it's always been that way and always will.

Then we will have to differ but i ask one question how the world champ has the average he has got in what is said to be a watered down league ? and he has every chance of retaining his title against the best in the world in the GP'S

Edited August 5, 2014 by FAST GATER

[Gavan]

We don't expect any pludits from you. But tell me something, do you watch Kyle EVERY WEEK? my guess is not. So don't talk about something you know nothing about. Sod his PL average, Kyle has steadily improved as a rider in the EL for the last two years. Take that wig off, you might see better...

Read my posts. dont do what Shovlar did and pick out bits you dont like and mention them.

I congratulated Poole

I said Magic rode well

I said Darcy rode well

 

You conveniently refuse to mention that.

 

I say Newman hasnt really improved at premier league (backed up by his average) and that he is only beating riders he should do last night (Jacobs x3, Perry x4, Thorssell x1 good scalp and Bjerre x1) and you go off on one about no plaudits. Others on here have said about Newman yet you say nothing.

 

Change the record

[Bagpuss]

We don't expect any pludits from you. But tell me something, do you wmuchatch Kyle EVERY WEEK? my guess is not. So don't talk about something you know nothing about. Sod his PL average, Kyle has steadily improved as a rider in the EL for the last two years. Take that wig off, you might see better...

Predictable Starman response. Meanwhile in the real world everyone else can see that the only way to guage his improvement is using his PL average.

 

Because he is a Brit and seems to put every ounce of effort he has into his racing I hope I'm wrong but I think he would be averaging much more than he is by now in the PL if he is ever to make the breakthrough to a top rider. He needs to prove himself by scoring big points regularly in the PL regardless of who he beats from reserve in the EL.

[Pirate Nick]

Read my posts. dont do what Shovlar did and pick out bits you dont like and mention them.

I congratulated Poole

I said Magic rode well

I said Darcy rode well

 

You conveniently refuse to mention that.

 

I say Newman hasnt really improved at premier league (backed up by his average) and that he is only beating riders he should do last night (Jacobs x3, Perry x4, Thorssell x1 good scalp and Bjerre x1) and you go off on one about no plaudits. Others on here have said about Newman yet you say nothing.

 

Change the record

I'd say his Prem form has improved since his comeback from injury. I make his avg since then 6.5 inc bp's

[orion]

I'm sorry, I just cannot see where these allegations of lack of effort from Woffinden are coming from. Perhaps you think it's a deliberate plan to miss the gate and then get involved in trying to pass people is somehow a safer way to go about things?

 

He simply wasn't gating well last night, in the two races he DID gate, one he had his chain knocked of and the other a team riding error from Pawlicki left him stranded.

 

 

That's motorsport, it's always been that way and always will.

So now not only is only sick in the uk he is only unlucky in the uk as well .

[stratton]

I often don't go by figures averages alone but Newman has improved no doubt about it.His overall riding has improved and his decision making certainly has also he has a tidy riding style.He is beating riders he should be beating but he is mixing now with second string's his next aim has to be to make it in a 1/5 can he do it i doubt it but i hope he proves me wrong.

Edited August 5, 2014 by sidney

[Gavan]

I'd say his Prem form has improved since his comeback from injury. I make his avg since then 6.5 inc bp's

perfectally reasonable response and if so fair point.

 

Newman in my mind is beating the riders he regularly should at reserve and the occasional scalp of riders riding at 2 and 4 like last night. Different kettle of fish say against Lynn and Porsing and Lambert.

 

Lets be honest only Newman, Garrity, Worrall, Kerr and Blackbird are capable of beating the riders at 2 and 4.

Its called debating Starman and having a reasoned argument

I often don't go by figures averages alone but Newman has improved no doubt about it.His overall riding has improved and his decision making certainly has also he has a tidy riding style.He is beating riders he should be beating but he is mixing now with second string's his next aim has to be to make it in a 1/5 can he do it i doubt it but i hope he proves me wrong.

If you cant use figures then how do you judge improvement.

 

i agree his style is better and he is learning more but improvement score wise? not really