Race Off 31/7

[Starman2006]

I thought he was wrong but my opinion carries no more weight than any other

Another crazy decision by a Referee. Nilsson should never had been excluded, effectively handing the meeting to the Aussies. just my opinion.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Starman2006

[tocha]

That was Gordy, not me!

Not the most exciting rider in the world, but the fact that he is such a crisp gater, and largely stays out of trouble is probably the reason why he's still riding at the age of 55.

I dare say he will be, won't have missed a GP round and still in contention for his seventh championship by then!

Edited July 31, 2014 by tocha

[foreverblue]

Jim Lawrence with a shocking decision yet again! Does the man like to be god when on tv? Speedways equivalent to Graham Poll! Sorry Gater it is about opinions but your s as pointed it is so far wide of the mark makes me wonder how many meetings you have seen?

 

For those who say Hancock is boring do you watch races properly? Heat 1 just weighed up his opponent and picked him off.

 

If that wasn't enough go back and watch Heat 20 again. Darcy by far the faster but Greg out rode him. He put his bike in places every corner to make like difficult for Darcy without ever being hard. it was an absolute masterclass.

Good to see holder back and darcy riding so well unaffected by his injury, if it had been anyone apart from hancock he would have won but hancock is pretty incredible and his gating amazing but if thinks there are american riders out there to fill his boots he is deluded, what happens to the usa when he retires.

[speedwaysliders]

Well i cant even think why the ref would even look at that particular race to exclude a rider,if the refs are going to do that the meetings will take forever to finish,really was a shocking decision, and it could open up riders play acting ,looking for a gap thats not there then chucking a wobbly after the race to get the refs attention.why even Jim Lynch would concider what he did i just cant understand,hes been around for years,how many times has he made a decision to alter the race like that in all the years hes been a ref?

Team GB are doing very well out of this years world cup,just looking at their sponsors on Roscos polo shirt,wonder what Mercedes Benz sponsorship is? maybe a new car to every rider if we win the world team cup!!!!!

[g13webb]

To hear people say Hancock was boring last night, one has to question their knowledge of the sport. He was awesome, to score 21 points against the best riders in the world is a wonderful achievement. On a exceptional track with many racing lines, he tracked his prey in the first heat before executing the killer move on the run to the line. awesome. In all the rest of his races, he gated from any of the positions. Once out in front he was so smooth that he simply used his class and pulled away. The two rides against Darcy showed his expertise to the extreme. Darcy trying any which way with loads of speed, but Greg , with eyes in the back of this head was always one jump head and won comfortably.

 

Poster say that was boring.... Yeah right.

 

To me the Ref didn't spoil the meeting. he just made a wrong call. but then again it is all down to opinions To me it was two guys having a real good go at each other, 6 of one and half dozen of the other. pleased it wasn't the overbearing input on the result. Australia was always going to be the strongest, and deserved their win in the end. It was good to see Holder back on a bike, and showed he had lost none of his ability.

 

Again brilliant meeting on a fantastic raceway. Wish all meeting were that exciting........... :t:

If that meeting had been held in England, be it at any track, I'm sure the crowd would have been far greater than what we saw last night. The racing, the track produced was electrifying yet this wasn't enough to encourage speedway fans to turn up when their own team was not riding. How fickle are they.........

 

Probably speedway in Poland is not as popular was we seem to believe, and that supporters are turning their back, as seems to be the case in England..

 

Whatever the reasons, last night attendance was abysmal.

[Daniel Smith]

Hancock isn't boring.

He's just a very good gater, an accomplished racer and a clean overtaker.

 

I use to think he was a little boring but this season I've watched him a little cloder and he certainly is not.

 

What he is, is the ultimate polished professional, with all the vast years experience he's very calculated.

 

And to think that a lot of us people's thought he should have retired at the end of last season. I genuinely think he's aiming to race to his 50th birthday. I'm convinced

I have to say I'm confused regarding comments about the exclusion of Nilsson.

 

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I remember a Sky meeting between Peterborough and King's Lynn. Pedersen (identical to last night) rode Bjerre up the fence and every man and his dog said Pedersen should have been excluded (apart from Peterborough fans obviously ).

 

Racer's are racers. And during a race nobody should have to shut off. Nilsson knew where Krcmar was, came from an inside line and drove right across the front of him. Time and time again we here fans scream a rider shouldn't need to fall to call an exclusion yet we get one and now everyone is up in arms.

 

It was a blatant obstruction from Nilsson and I applaud Jim Lawrence for making the call. I would have done the same as a referee

Edited August 1, 2014 by screamer

[bigcatdiary]

Hancock isn't boring.

He's just a very good gater, an accomplished racer and a clean overtaker.

 

I use to think he was a little boring but this season I've watched him a little cloder and he certainly is not.

 

What he is, is the ultimate polished professional, with all the vast years experience he's very calculated.

 

And to think that a lot of us people's thought he should have retired at the end of last season. I genuinely think he's aiming to race to his 50th birthday. I'm convinced

I have to say I'm confused regarding comments about the exclusion of Nilsson.

 

___________________________________________________________________________________

 

I remember a Sky meeting between Peterborough and King's Lynn. Pedersen (identical to last night) rode Bjerre up the fence and every man and his dog said Pedersen should have been excluded (apart from Peterborough fans obviously ).

 

Racer's are racers. And during a race nobody should have to shut off. Nilsson knew where Krcmar was, came from an inside line and drove right across the front of him. Time and time again we here fans scream a rider shouldn't need to fall to call an exclusion yet we get one and now everyone is up in arms.

 

It was a blatant obstruction from Nilsson and I applaud Jim Lawrence for making the call. I would have done the same as a referee

 

I remember the sky meeting well and would have had no complaints if Tony Steele had excluded him that night.

 

Personally I don't have much complaint with Jim Lawrence's decision last night, if that had been Nicki Pedersen instead of Nilsson I doubt many others would as well.

Edited August 1, 2014 by bigcatdiary

[arnieg]

A few random observations:

 

A great night's racing - Bydgoszcz's reputation as one of the world's best racing tracks remains in tact.

 

Hancock - just awesome

 

Scorecards - I'm sure they are all better than the official programme which had no space for race times

 

Crowd - very definitely some papering going on. Of those who paid a sizeable proportion were not Poles. Cheap seats were £5, £8 for a 2nd bend seat.

 

Most heard phrase of the day:"I'm never flying Ryan air again"

 

Berntzson and Krcmar both impressed

 

Really great battle until that incident, but why is everybody so certain about it. Sometimes it is a difficult call to make - had I been in the refs seat I'm not sure which way I'd have gone.

[TonyE]

I believe Jim Lawrence has opened a can of worms here - this sort of move is seen time and time again in racing and, in the main, the rider on the outside shuts off. Are we now to believe that causing an opponent to shut off merits an exclusion? How many times have we heard the expression 'he left him nowhere to go' from the likes of the presenting duo? It was a hard race and Kim had been on the wrong end of some robust riding earlier in the heat - what goes round comes round.

 

Anyway, good to see Kim has some fire in his belly and I look forward to seeing him strut his stuff at Purfleet for the Hammers.

[SCB]

maybe I have missed something but how can a race that has finished have the result changed by anything other than a previously not noticed mechanical infringement? eg silencer adrift etc

 

surely if something untoward had happened the race should have been stopped?

 

especially something so extreme that it leads to a riders expulsion from the race??

 

if 'retrospective punishment' is allowed then what is stopping every manager asking for every 'hard riding'/first bend elbows incident to be reviewed at the end of every race in every tv meeting??

 

could take even longer to complete a meeting going forwards that the 2 hours most take now!!

This was my issue. Either you stop a race an exclude someone or you let it run. Nilsson in effect got in Eduards way and prevented him taking a win on the last lap - not very fair is it?!

 

Not sure I'd have used the SWC to make my point but I do think riders need to leave more room on the outside to allow for passing. We all (well, not all, you know what I mean!) bemoan the lack of passing today and come up with ideas like more dirt, standard engines etc. Well how about tougher refereeing and that riders are not to move others over, ride your own race.

[OveFundinFan]

Not seen the meeting yet. Got it recorded so going to make time today hopefully. Sounds interesting.

[BWitcher]

Hancock isn't boring.

He's just a very good gater, an accomplished racer and a clean overtaker.

 

I use to think he was a little boring but this season I've watched him a little cloder and he certainly is not.

 

What he is, is the ultimate polished professional, with all the vast years experience he's very calculated.

 

And to think that a lot of us people's thought he should have retired at the end of last season. I genuinely think he's aiming to race to his 50th birthday. I'm convinced

I have to say I'm confused regarding comments about the exclusion of Nilsson.

 

___________________________________________________________________________________

 

I remember a Sky meeting between Peterborough and King's Lynn. Pedersen (identical to last night) rode Bjerre up the fence and every man and his dog said Pedersen should have been excluded (apart from Peterborough fans obviously ).

 

Racer's are racers. And during a race nobody should have to shut off. Nilsson knew where Krcmar was, came from an inside line and drove right across the front of him. Time and time again we here fans scream a rider shouldn't need to fall to call an exclusion yet we get one and now everyone is up in arms.

 

It was a blatant obstruction from Nilsson and I applaud Jim Lawrence for making the call. I would have done the same as a referee

 

So Krcmar should have been excluded the lap before then as Nilsson was forced to shut off. Doesn't matter how you spin it, the referee was wrong.

This was my issue. Either you stop a race an exclude someone or you let it run. Nilsson in effect got in Eduards way and prevented him taking a win on the last lap - not very fair is it?!

 

Not sure I'd have used the SWC to make my point but I do think riders need to leave more room on the outside to allow for passing. We all (well, not all, you know what I mean!) bemoan the lack of passing today and come up with ideas like more dirt, standard engines etc. Well how about tougher refereeing and that riders are not to move others over, ride your own race.

Couldn't disagree more, it would make the racing worse in my opinion. Some of the most exciting races are when riders really have to work to make a pass, not when they just have an open avenue provided to them on the 1st lap to sail by.

[Bagpuss]

Hancock isn't boring.

He's just a very good gater, an accomplished racer and a clean overtaker.

 

I use to think he was a little boring but this season I've watched him a little cloder and he certainly is not.

 

What he is, is the ultimate polished professional, with all the vast years experience he's very calculated.

 

And to think that a lot of us people's thought he should have retired at the end of last season. I genuinely think he's aiming to race to his 50th birthday. I'm convinced

I have to say I'm confused regarding comments about the exclusion of Nilsson.

 

___________________________________________________________________________________

 

I remember a Sky meeting between Peterborough and King's Lynn. Pedersen (identical to last night) rode Bjerre up the fence and every man and his dog said Pedersen should have been excluded (apart from Peterborough fans obviously ).

 

Racer's are racers. And during a race nobody should have to shut off. Nilsson knew where Krcmar was, came from an inside line and drove right across the front of him. Time and time again we here fans scream a rider shouldn't need to fall to call an exclusion yet we get one and now everyone is up in arms.

 

It was a blatant obstruction from Nilsson and I applaud Jim Lawrence for making the call. I would have done the same as a referee

The difference for me with the NP / Bjerre incident is that Bjerre was in front, Nicki overtook him with heavy contact. Last night Krcmar was never in front, Nilsson rode the same line that everybody else had been and was ahead.

 

As for Hancock I agree he is a polished professional with bags of experience and its a great testament to him that he is still competing at the very highest level at his age. But he gates 99/100 times and on very fast bikes is rarely caught. Can understand why people like watching him but he's just not my cup of tea.

[Gavan]

I really cant see where people are coming from who believe excluding Nilsson was right! When you are in front you can ride your line and Nilsson did exactly that. If you watch he was almost fenced himself but had the foresight to shut it off which is exactly what the young czech lad should have done. It wasnt dirty just hard riding.

 

Please dont liken it to Nicki who waits till riders are alongside before fencing them or simply rides through them

What Nilsson did was hard riding, Pedersen is dirty, just ask his pit lane colleagues!

Edited August 1, 2014 by Gavan

[SCB]

When you are in front you can ride your line and Nilsson did exactly that.

I hate this line. No you can't. Thats rubbish. If a rider dives under another rider going into a bed and with his back wheel wipes out the other guys front wheel you have just said that is acceptable as he was clearly in front for his back wheel to be hitting the other guys front wheel.

 

If you can't perform a move without making contact with another rider, you in the wrong.

[lucifer sam]

I have to say that I agreed with the ref.

 

Kim Nilsson totally lost his rag. Krcmar performed a hard move on the previous lap, and Nilsson saw red. He decided to get his revenge and dish it back out, but got it completely wrong, and bounced Krcmar off the fence! It did cross a line and I think the exclusion was warranted. It was foul riding.

 

An analogy would be an incident in football, where one player commits the foul, but then the other player then retaliates and ends up with the greater penalty. Jim Lawrence took this philosophy and I believe it was the correct one. Had Nicki P done what Kim Nilsson did, they’d be a lynch party out for him.

 

All the best

Rob

Edited August 1, 2014 by lucifer sam

[Leicester Lion]

I hate this line. No you can't. Thats rubbish. If a rider dives under another rider going into a bed and with his back wheel wipes out the other guys front wheel you have just said that is acceptable as he was clearly in front for his back wheel to be hitting the other guys front wheel.

 

If you can't perform a move without making contact with another rider, you in the wrong.

Absolutely. Being "in front", which in cases such as this means still being alongside to some degree, does not give a rider carte blanche to ride dangerously.

[mikebv]

A good many posts on this thread, many with differing subjective views of who was in the wrong....

 

However the only fact is Kim Nilsson only got excluded because TV cameras were there and the ref had access to a replay.....

 

The ref didnt stop the race therefore if no TV, no review possible...

 

Must mean it's ok to ride someone up against a fence as long as it isnt on telly....

Edited August 1, 2014 by mikebv

[SteveLyric2]

Having just watched a re-run of the incident, I have to say I have some sympathy with the referee.

 

The 'incident' happened coming off bend 4 into the finish straight (at the end of lap 3) where the fencing is covered by banners etc. It could be that Jim Lawrence just couldn't clearly see the incident fully and had to wait til the race ended before looking at all the replays and angles - as the TV audience does.

 

You could see from the replays that Nilsson rode from mid-track right to the fence and taking Krcmar with him. In the 'live' running, Lawrence would only have seen Nilsson coming off bend 4 towards the fence and Krcmar and his handle bars/ front wheel lift above the level of the fence banner?! Maybe there needs to be a ban on fence banners on the home straight fencing if it impedes the ref's view!!!?

 

Krcmar gesticulating to the ref at the end (and the handbags referred to) prompted the review! Good call I feel.

Edited August 1, 2014 by Skidder1

[fullbore]

Nilsson rode the same line that everybody else had been and was ahead.

But he wasn't actually ahead, there was still an overlap.

 

Not that I'd have excluded him mind.

 

Niamh