spencebel Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 It was a great meeting, until the ref made the worst decision, handed it too the Aussies. Watch them go and win the final on Sat. I hope they don't........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Looks like Roscoe's using the Golden tyre too..Pity he hasn't learnt that it belongs on a bike! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Terrific racing tonight the aussies would have won anyway but the ref certainly made it easier for them, good to see holder back, should be a great final with the poles coming out on top yet again, as long as the danes and dirty nicki dont win I will be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I actually liked the fact that Jim Lawrence had the cojones to change the race result after the race had finished. I don't think it should be necessary that a rider should fall off for there to be an exclusion. Oh, sorry, disqualification! Sometimes survival instinct kicks in, and you just don't want to crash. At the sort of speeds they go round Bydgoszcz, you can hardly blame them! However, it is necessary to make the right decision, especially when you have replays, which sadly is where he ballsed up. Mr K simply ran too wide on bend 4, an 18 year old kid on a joker, he of course wanted to get the 2nd place back straight away and misjudged the situation. It was probably the volatile way he started climbing the fence that affected Lawrence's decision. Who knows? Certainly not his finest hour. It was a shame for the meeting, as it was looking rather tasty until then, but don't think it had a huge impact on the result, as you just felt that Sweden lacked heat winners. Still, a fine meeting. Bydgoszcz delivers again. As does the Race-Off. Looking forward to Saturday! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) Terrific racing tonight the aussies would have won anyway but the ref certainly made it easier for them, good to see holder back, should be a great final with the poles coming out on top yet again, as long as the danes and dirty nicki dont win I will be happy. Something against the Danes?Terrific servants to the British leagues over the years. Anyway money has to be on Poland,then I think Aussies and Denmark not far behind.But I will be behind the underdogs all the way,bring out the bulldog spirit,come on team GB Edited July 31, 2014 by tellboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Swedes gave it a good go, but that awful decision knocked the stuffing out of them. Some cracking racing, amazing score from Herbie. Be interested what your views on the Nilsson decision were? I thought he was wrong but my opinion carries no more weight than any other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) Great meeting. Ref decision was a stinker but I think the Aussies would have won anyway, mainly because AJ was awful from the gate all night, not good enough from a rider of his stature to fail to win a heat. Hancock on a different planet but just doesn't excite me at all, apart from pressuring Nilsson into a mistake in heat one he was yards clear by the first bend every time, not my cup of tea. At least Monster will be happy they have their two Aussie riders in the final, and I'm sure that had absolutely nothing at all to do with Lawrence's dodgy decision. Really hope to see Berntzon and Krcmar in the UK at some point, two excellent looking prospects. Edited July 31, 2014 by Gordon Bennett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Something against the Danes?Terrific servants to the British leagues over the years. Anyway money has to be on Poland,then I think Aussies and Denmark not far behind.But I will be behind the underdogs all the way,bring out the bulldog spirit,come on team GB Nothing against the danes only dirty nicki, iversen nice guy great rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Great meeting and the best team won. Swedes just fizzled out in latter stages (9pts from last 8 races) whereas Aussies hit top gear (22pts in last 8) so Nilsson's exclusion had little or no bearing on the outcome. Brave of Lawrence to exclude him imo, might make riders more conscious of not fencing others if refs did it more often (and Krcmar didn't touch Nilsson in the earlier lap btw, but Nilsson on the other hand was pushing Krcmar out for most of the 4th bend). Hancock was unbelievable but like Mungo said isn't my sort of rider - he's admirable yes but not very exciting to watch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 I thought he was wrong but my opinion carries no more weight than any other Not saying your opinon does carry more weight, but given your years of experience at watching top level speedway I was interested in finding out. I'm sure I should know the answer to this, but is there a system in GP and WC where the performances of the refs are reviewed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Great meeting and the best team won. Swedes just fizzled out in latter stages (9pts from last 8 races) whereas Aussies hit top gear (22pts in last 8) so Nilsson's exclusion had little or no bearing on the outcome. Brave of Lawrence to exclude him imo, might make riders more conscious of not fencing others if refs did it more often (and Krcmar didn't touch Nilsson in the earlier lap btw, but Nilsson on the other hand was pushing Krcmar out for most of the 4th bend). Hancock was unbelievable but like Mungo said isn't my sort of rider - he's admirable yes but not very exciting to watch. That was Gordy, not me! Not the most exciting rider in the world, but the fact that he is such a crisp gater, and largely stays out of trouble is probably the reason why he's still riding at the age of 55. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 That was Gordy, not me! Not the most exciting rider in the world, but the fact that he is such a crisp gater, and largely stays out of trouble is probably the reason why he's still riding at the age of 55. lol apols to both um...55? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 A rider clearly shouldn't have to fall in order that another rider be excluded for unfair riding. Same goes for a footballer staying on his feet even though fouled; It should still be a pen. Personally I thought it was harsh, but the principle is right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Not saying your opinon does carry more weight, but given your years of experience at watching top level speedway I was interested in finding out. I'm sure I should know the answer to this, but is there a system in GP and WC where the performances of the refs are reviewed? THERE isn't a system as such but former SGP and SWC referee Tony Steele, a member of the Track Racing Commission, will have a watching brief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 It will be interesting to see if Mr Lawrence is consistent on Saturday if Nicki P performs one of his more "interesting" moves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 To me Nilsson just took the racing line that everyone else was, the Czech lad showed his over exuberance and inexperience by trying to ride on a part of the track where Nilsson was always going to be. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Philip can you give an answer to the query regarding the rules for naming teams for the matches at Lynn and Vestervik-i say that the team and riding order is fixed when the 4 riders taking part are nominated 14 days prior to this 1st round(apart from a rider being injured or ill ) others say that riding order can be changed-there certainly was some misunderstanding this year about who was riding in what position within the team. Could you clarify what the rule is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) Great meeting. Ref decision was a stinker but I think the Aussies would have won anyway, mainly because AJ was awful from the gate all night, not good enough from a rider of his stature to fail to win a heat. Hancock on a different planet but just doesn't excite me at all, apart from pressuring Nilsson into a mistake in heat one he was yards clear by the first bend every time, not my cup of tea. At least Monster will be happy they have their two Aussie riders in the final, and I'm sure that had absolutely nothing at all to do with Lawrence's dodgy decision. Really hope to see Berntzon and Krcmar in the UK at some point, two excellent looking prospects. It wasn't a good advert as far as BSI are concerned though was it...The attendance was truly woeful! An empty stadium? It's not a true competition when you come up with bull-rubbish rules and kiss the arse of the Poles.. Good luck to the GB team though... Edited July 31, 2014 by Jacques Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Jim Lawrence with a shocking decision yet again! Does the man like to be god when on tv? Speedways equivalent to Graham Poll! Sorry Gater it is about opinions but your s as pointed it is so far wide of the mark makes me wonder how many meetings you have seen? For those who say Hancock is boring do you watch races properly? Heat 1 just weighed up his opponent and picked him off. If that wasn't enough go back and watch Heat 20 again. Darcy by far the faster but Greg out rode him. He put his bike in places every corner to make like difficult for Darcy without ever being hard. it was an absolute masterclass. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 maybe I have missed something but how can a race that has finished have the result changed by anything other than a previously not noticed mechanical infringement? eg silencer adrift etc surely if something untoward had happened the race should have been stopped? especially something so extreme that it leads to a riders expulsion from the race?? if 'retrospective punishment' is allowed then what is stopping every manager asking for every 'hard riding'/first bend elbows incident to be reviewed at the end of every race in every tv meeting?? could take even longer to complete a meeting going forwards that the 2 hours most take now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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