DiamondsRock Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 People in glass houses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) I seem to remember Buster saying a few years back he was having difficulty in sourcing the right kind of shale. As I recall the old seam had been exhausted. Think the shale was coming from a good distance away from Lynn and was obviously costing a lot more with an increase in the transportation costs. Edited July 30, 2014 by semion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I seem to remember Buster saying a few years back he was having difficulty in sourcing the right kind of shale. As I recall the old seam had been exhausted. Think the shale was coming from a good distance away from Lynn and was obviously costing a lot more with an increase in the transportion costs. He will mean Red shale, but to my knowledge the only place you can get it now is somewhere near Edinbourgh.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Ok so we have all known for a long time that DH holds the view that BP is a technical track to ride and provides great entertaining racing. So no new news there. However does anybody on this forum know of anyone else who agrees with him on either point? Be it a rider, track curator, fan or escaped lunatic? Given that he is the promoter I wouldn't expect anything else other than positive statements in order to appeal to new customers. But in saying that Leicester is a better track for racing and entertainment than KL I'm afraid to say he well off the mark, and always will be untill something is done about the overall dimesions of his beloved version of the M25, with all vehicles following one another except for the occasional accident causing delays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Has anyone a profile of Hemsley,what he actually does in business or anyhing about the man? .Should be an interesting read!!!.I have to say also hes done a great job of getting Leicester up and running,but you have to laugh when he has a pop at the Kings Lynn track!!! Maybe hes stiring it up a bit to get some spice into the Leicester meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) I personally think that, generally speaking, Speedway does not produce consistently close and exciting racing as it once seemed to do. Probably the bikes that they now ride may have something to do with it. We do seem to get a lot of average meeting no matter where they are staged. Edited July 30, 2014 by nightshift 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 As a track creator, I've always held Buster in such high esteem that few could equal. I've seen him work miracles turning a sodden quagmire into a race track within the hour. Agreed he has all the machinery and expertise at his disposal, but he never fails to impress. Having travelled to most tracks, you appreciate just how fortunate we are having a venue like the NA. This is all down to a life time of Busters hard work. I believe Buster can prepare any race surface that asked for . The shale is of the utmost importance , and that said Buster would get the best he could possibly purchase. The track hasn't changed much in years. The Camber, The Width , The Corners , The Shape, are all the same as it's always been, so one has too ask why is it that, the racing is not as good as it was once preserved. This could be down to many reasons; 1) The bigger gulf in the class, of parity of riders competing in races. 2) Bike engines are too fast and technical. 3) The style of riding is more being contented. rather than racing. ; 4) Winning is not as important than it once was. The races on Saturday when Hancock up against Ward and Woffy and Bomber coming through from the back, was as good as any, so proving when the riders want to put it on there's not a lot wrong with the Lynn track. . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrMungo Posted July 30, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I personally think that, generally speaking, Speedway does not produce consistently close and exciting racing as it once seemed to do. Probably the bikes that they now ride may have something to do with it. We do seem to get a lot of average meeting no matter where they are staged.When was the racing at its most exciting? I've got numerous videos from 80s and 90s, and I really can't see that it was a lot better than it is now. For about 80% of meetings (then & now), you seem to have a couple of great races, half a dozen interesting ones (close races, good chases, etc) and the vast majority of the rest are somewhat processional. I think sometimes the memory plays tricks on you, and you remember things for being better than they actually were. What is different now is the atmosphere, or lack thereof at most tracks. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Leicester could and should be a better track but its not all down to the size and shape of it, the modern day bikes do have to take a certain proportion of the blame for the standard not only at BP but at every other track too because i have seen a lot of EL meetings this season one way or another and the racing is generally as poor as its ever been and no track is exempt. The modern day laydowns are a lot more forgiving to ride due to a lower center of gravity but they have no ability to handle anything other than a moderately slick surface, we all see what the effect is when riders try and blast around the boards in deeper shale, the bike can't handle it and they end up in the air fence! Back in the 80's apart from the very biggest tracks you could not simply ring its neck and hang on like you can now even around the smaller tracks, for sure some of the skill element of riding has gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Been to Kings lynn 3 times this season 3 great meeetings with exciting races in every one , been to leicester 10 times this season 10 borefests without a single good race 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Has anyone a profile of Hemsley,what he actually does in business or anyhing about the man? .Should be an interesting read!!!.I have to say also hes done a great job of getting Leicester up and running,but you have to laugh when he has a pop at the Kings Lynn track!!! Maybe hes stiring it up a bit to get some spice into the Leicester meetings. I think a psychological profile would make for interesting reading..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Kings Lynn ok race track , pretty awful from the spectators point of view IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Been to Kings lynn 3 times this season 3 great meeetings with exciting races in every one , been to leicester 10 times this season 10 borefests without a single good race TEN times !!!! You clearly need help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Buster is a great trackman, but I would suggest his predecessor at Saddlebow was a even better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 the man has simply mentioned his mickey mouse leicester track in that statement for a response..and he sure got that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 With more material to work with I guess Huggy's tracks were more expensive to maintain and took more preparation ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Much more reliable fuse box at Leicester though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 When was the racing at its most exciting? I've got numerous videos from 80s and 90s, and I really can't see that it was a lot better than it is now. For about 80% of meetings (then & now), you seem to have a couple of great races, half a dozen interesting ones (close races, good chases, etc) and the vast majority of the rest are somewhat processional. I think sometimes the memory plays tricks on you, and you remember things for being better than they actually were. What is different now is the atmosphere, or lack thereof at most tracks. Absolutely 100% spot on. I have the same, pretty much every home Wolverhampton meeting from around 1989 through to 1997 then lots more after that. When I think back to the days of Ermolenko, Correy, PK, Mikael Karlsson (as was) etc I remember it being unbelievable racing and amazingly exciting every week. Watching the videos tells a completely different story. You are spot on regarding the atmosphere too. You'll still get people telling you how back in the 80's & 90's the racing was so much better though... just as when I started going in the 80's there were people going on about how much better the racing was in the 70's.. and as my dad told me when he started going he was told how much better the racing was in the 60's etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I used to go to KL during the Cyril Crane / Littlechild era. A basic stadium with little creature comforts, but there was a good view of the racing. The present Stadium has upgraded and improved beyond all comparisom the facilities. However it is very poor for actually viewing the racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 I assume that's a long winded way of saying you don't like the stock car wire fence? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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