montie Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Last year the Premier league didn't want to be involved with the FTR, and would rather have a team of foreigners. That is simply not true The Premier League was never involved,offered,discussd any FTR, its was and is an idea born from the EL promotions looking to save money And when you look back over the year the PL is a FTR anyway,but just like the one in the EL at the moment,not all make it Lets be honest,if the fast track was what it meant to be do you think you would have the like of Ben Hopwood,Lee Smart,Brendan Johnson and Danny Hasley in it??? Riders like that will never make the Premier League grade never mind anywhere beyond it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Lets be honest,if the fast track was what it meant to be do you think you would have the like of Ben Hopwood,Lee Smart,Brendan Johnson and Danny Hasley in it??? Riders like that will never make the Premier League grade never mind anywhere beyond it The riders listed are not there to make the grade. They're there to make up the numbers so those who will make the grade have someone to beat. What was the alternative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 There has to be a balance between big and small tracks. Not enough of the major events are staged on bigger circuits. Plus the under 15 championship rounds are being held on pokey little places like Eastbourne and Rye House. While these clubs have a good track record of developing riders, it can hinder their development if they get to dialled into small tracks I think Hans Nielsen expressed concern when he was at Wolves that it was hindering his ability to race on bigger tracks where - let's face it - most of the big international events are held anyway. Good point re under 21/ under 19, but under 15/16 should be on small tracks. I was in Grudziadz yesterday and they have an 80cc track on the centre green. I first saw Max Fricke 4/5 years ago on a similar track at Mildura. All the Swedes and Danes start that way too, so too do the Yanks. On the lesser powered machines, smaller tracks are better at introducing youngsters to cornering skills and getting them use to close racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 They recently had the 125cc junior title at Peterborough. Dont get much bigger and certainly don't get any more continental in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 That is simply not true The Premier League was never involved,offered,discussd any FTR, its was and is an idea born from the EL promotions looking to save money And when you look back over the year the PL is a FTR anyway,but just like the one in the EL at the moment,not all make it Lets be honest,if the fast track was what it meant to be do you think you would have the like of Ben Hopwood,Lee Smart,Brendan Johnson and Danny Hasley in it??? Riders like that will never make the Premier League grade never mind anywhere beyond it If I was wrong in my posting than I apologise. But when FTR was first talked about, I was of the impression the Premier League was to be involved. Thinking along the lines as that, the Elite would have 2 British riders, 1 from the NL and 1 from the PL, Riders using the PL as a stepping stone. When it was eventually announced, it was said the PL wasn't included, not that they weren't asked. Turns out that the FTR was just another scam to lighten the loads on promoters pockets, rather than an idea to primarily benefit the sport. And you wonder why Team GB can't compete with the best....... Want do they say about Wood and Trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Good point re under 21/ under 19, but under 15/16 should be on small tracks. I was in Grudziadz yesterday and they have an 80cc track on the centre green. I first saw Max Fricke 4/5 years ago on a similar track at Mildura. All the Swedes and Danes start that way too, so too do the Yanks. On the lesser powered machines, smaller tracks are better at introducing youngsters to cornering skills and getting them use to close racing. Agreed. My point however is that riders get too cosy on the small tracks and don't want to move onto something bigger even though it will aid their development. It has to be a two way system here though. The promoters and advisors need to make it clear to the rider he needs to race on big tracks, and there also has to be a desire by the rider himself to do it. Edited August 4, 2014 by mb1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Video of final (Polish ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiXfqLIlxwg&list=UUWMqEj3-1TXYlaGQppBGtbg Video of race-off (polish) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-tEZsEsXw&list=PLLP7YA_mSetHtKi0S5qMBzU2Gcoy2FsoQ Video of Kings Lynn round 1( Polish ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybMp7V_SsrM&list=PLLP7YA_mSetHtKi0S5qMBzU2Gcoy2FsoQ Video of Vastervik round 2 (Polish ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSgN2WmBDpQ&list=PLLP7YA_mSetHtKi0S5qMBzU2Gcoy2FsoQ Edited August 4, 2014 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) How on earth can you say that when he is sixteen? I believe he set the fastest time of the meeting at Poole the other week, he has the speed already......just needs to gather some experience and better gating and he can achieve whatever he wants to IMO. Just an opinion reminds me a bit of Bridger. Milik did the same time as Lambert in heat 15 and i wouldn't think he is a future world champion either but you never know how riders will develop Edited August 4, 2014 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Well after turning off and recording the rest after heat 4, I only got to watch the meeting last night and I have to say what an incredible finale. I didn't think Puk was going to pull it off, but talk about timing!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Are those horrible looking square things on top of some riders crash helmets cameras,as we never seem to get any footage from them?! They are real ugly and look like they could slow the rider down!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Are those horrible looking square things on top of some riders crash helmets cameras,as we never seem to get any footage from them?! They are real ugly and look like they could slow the rider down!!! Riders don't carry enough speed in a straight line to worry about Aerodynamic Drag but yes, they are camera's. GoPro cameras and they're mainly used for personal reasons. Woffy has used his a couple of times on Yevvo which allows people to watch him practice live (if that interests some people). During the World Cup though, I do believe it was only Monster sponsored riders using them for promotional reasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Since the SWC all poster are arguing (discussing) about the quality of our riders in comparison to those from other countries'. My take on this will always be related to the quality the riders race in on a regular basis. We were left high and dry having to take 2 riders who race second division standards. It was not their fault. They race down a divisions just as a form of survival . I relate all the problems to the powers of the BSPA. For years they have been used as a stepping stone by foreign riders to gain experience and for the Promoter to fill a void quickly. Someone with a Danish name will always have preference over an English equivalent just because they think he will be better. Last year the Premier league didn't want to be involved with the FTR, and would rather have a team of foreigners. All this toing and throwing, who is the best manager. It makes little difference who the manager is. We are a distance off the top teams in developing and encouraging new blood. We must have rules in place where ALL teams have to have so many home riders..Until such time the promoters put the British rider first, nothing will ever change. PS: This comment was not directed to all specific Promoters, some I believe are doing a grand job. It was directed to the collective body of the BSPA That's a good point and correct but it won't ever happen. The BSPA know that the main thing keeping professional league speedway going in this country is SKY and I don't think they would be too happy to have to cover Elite league matches each week when there were at least 5 British riders in each team and less foreign "stars" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Just an opinion reminds me a bit of Bridger. Milik did the same time as Lambert in heat 15 and i wouldn't think he is a future world champion either but you never know how riders will developBridger? In what way? Milik isn't 16 and in his first year of racing. Robert may or may not become WC but its impossible to say he won't. How he is managed over the next five or six years is critical. Edited August 4, 2014 by Gordon Bennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 The joker changed the end result - again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEuan Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Riders don't carry enough speed in a straight line to worry about Aerodynamic Drag but yes, they are camera's. GoPro cameras and they're mainly used for personal reasons. Woffy has used his a couple of times on Yevvo which allows people to watch him practice live (if that interests some people). During the World Cup though, I do believe it was only Monster sponsored riders using them for promotional reasons If you go to Greg Hancocks Youtube Channel you can watch footage from the SWC (and other events) from the camera on the helmet https://www.youtube.com/user/greghancock45/videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Sure Phil Rising will fill us in why the crowd was so poor !Maybe he wont ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 SPOKE to several people there and others who weren't going and cost seems to be the decisive factor, maybe along with general apathy for speedway in Bydgoszcz itself. Some tickets were on sale for almost £125, double what you might pay at Cardiff. Don't understand why ... the Polonia stadium is dated now, especially by Polish standards, and the facilities and viewing quite poor. Of course, as usual, the actual track provided compelling entertainment but not at any cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Sounds like a daft pricing policy. Who decided the prices for the final? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 SPOKE to several people there and others who weren't going and cost seems to be the decisive factor, maybe along with general apathy for speedway in Bydgoszcz itself. Some tickets were on sale for almost £125, double what you might pay at Cardiff. Don't understand why ... the Polonia stadium is dated now, especially by Polish standards, and the facilities and viewing quite poor. Of course, as usual, the actual track provided compelling entertainment but not at any cost. Also plenty of empty seats priced at 75zl (£15) Bydgoszcz is also within 3 hours travelling of 7 top Polish league clubs including Torun,Gorzow,Zielena Gora and Leszno who all pull in excess of ten thousand per home meeting .Still not buying the boycott theory ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 The way they treat our young up and coming riders is a shear disgrace, they need to up things at thier end of things if we are ever going to see first class riders from this country as the top stars not only in TH EL but also on the World stage. I would hate to be a young 15 year old starting out now in one of the bottom leagues. It is time to look after these young riders better and get the most out of them. Not let them just continue to ride year in year out in lower leagues and never reach thier full potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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