World Cup Final 2nd August 2014

[Fromafar]

Why pick on those two?, Harris was crap, 4 points from somewone who "pretends" to be a GP star, surely he has ridden that track in his long and industrious career?

Harris is like a broken record.I think he has a tape recording of his reply to interviews it's virtually the same every time word for word.Unfortunately he is still in the squad because there is nobody better.

[Paulco]

Harris is like a broken record.I think he has a tape recording of his reply to interviews it's virtually the same every time word for word.Unfortunately he is still in the squad because there is nobody better.

Yeah definitely

[Fromafar]

There is no harsh reality! We are poor. That's it. You could have put 2 monkeys in a GB racesuit and they would have scored just as many but that's not King or Stead's fault. They tried and that's all you can ask.

 

What people should be looking at is how Peter Kildemand has managed to go from the PL @ Workington to riding in the Extraliga and scoring good points in 3 1/2 years? There are plenty of our British riders who PK has just gone right on by in that time, many of them in the GB squad, so I think that should tell you all about Rosco's options and the ability and ambition of British riders.

Kildemand is a good example nothing special at Workington but sheer will to win is getting him there.Financially I don't know his background but he is certainly giving his best shot.the young Brits are waiting for it to happen IMO

[ColinMills]

Kildemand is a good example nothing special at Workington but sheer will to win is getting him there.Financially I don't know his background but he is certainly giving his best shot.the young Brits are waiting for it to happen IMO

2003, peter ljung, david ruud, look what they did!!

[mothorsen]

Why is Korneliussens suit pink were it should be white? Some red nickers in with the laundry?

[Starman2006]

Why is Korneliussens suit pink were it should be white? Some red nickers in with the laundry?

I don't think it was just restricted to Korneliussens, think they were all seeing the same bird !! Apparantly Nicki Pedersen drew the "short", straw. short,,, straw, get it ??

Edited August 3, 2014 by Starman2006

[Fromafar]

2003, peter ljung, david ruud, look what they did!!

Having not yet seen Robert Lambert "live"I will leave him out but I can Honestly say I just can't see anything special in our young riders of today compared to the young foreigners .Having seen all the great Brits since the Sixty's. Collins,Lee Morton Jessup and a few more I just don't see where the future of British Speedway is coming from.Sincerly hope I am proved wrong.

Example

The 1st time I saw Holder and Lately Max Fricke I said yes these guys have "something" I was right with Holder and Fricke won't let me down IMO .

Edited August 3, 2014 by Fromafar

[Trees]

Robert is a natural for sure, let's hope he keeps going on the upward path to ultimate pro and World Champ :-)

[foreverblue]

Robert is a natural for sure, let's hope he keeps going on the upward path to ultimate pro and World Champ :-)

He will surely develop in to a good rider but from what ive seen not a world champ

[Chris]

Having not yet seen Robert Lambert "live"I will leave him out but I can Honestly say I just can't see anything special in our young riders of today compared to the young foreigners .Having seen all the great Brits since the Sixty's. Collins,Lee Morton Jessup and a few more I just don't see where the future of British Speedway is coming from.Sincerly hope I am proved wrong.

Example

The 1st time I saw Holder and Lately Max Fricke I said yes these guys have "something" I was right with Holder and Fricke won't let me down IMO .

Brady Kurtz another.

 

The young Brits don't have the will, belief, character or know how to develop like the poles, Aussies and Danes.

 

Look at someone like Edward Kennett, someone who I watched week in week out at the start of his career. Superb talent and ability on a speedway bike at a very young age but never had the ambition and desire to make it at the top level. He had it to easy like most youngsters in this country who are mollycoddled from a young age. Decent money, good sponsors and brown nosed regularly. Poodling around tracks like Eastbourne, Belle Vue, lakeside etc. tracks which are nothing like what you'll encounter in any FIM championship meeting.

 

No idea how to set a bike up for a big, fast track, the correct lines to ride, not turning the bike twice in a corner and that's before you see the difference in speed between the polish and Danish youngsters compared to ours. We always seem to turn up with mopeds compared to the rest. Look at Harris, king and stead last night. So sloooow.

 

Can't honestly ever see it getting better unless we get a couple of freaks like woffinden come along at the same time. I watched tai at the start of his career and the difference in his desire and attitude from someone like an Edward Kennett was night and day.

 

Our youngsters simply don't want it enough.

 

Someone said kildemand was nothing special at Workington? Complete rubbish, remember seeing him 3/4 years ago at rye and looked the real deal then.

[nw42]

I don't think it was just restricted to Korneliussens, think they were all seeing the same bird !! Apparantly Nicki Pedersen drew the "short", straw. short,,, straw, get it ??

 

 

No.

[Bagpuss]

He will surely develop in to a good rider but from what ive seen not a world champ

How on earth can you say that when he is sixteen? I believe he set the fastest time of the meeting at Poole the other week, he has the speed already......just needs to gather some experience and better gating and he can achieve whatever he wants to IMO.

[Fromafar]

Brady Kurtz another.

The young Brits don't have the will, belief, character or know how to develop like the poles, Aussies and Danes.

Look at someone like Edward Kennett, someone who I watched week in week out at the start of his career. Superb talent and ability on a speedway bike at a very young age but never had the ambition and desire to make it at the top level. He had it to easy like most youngsters in this country who are mollycoddled from a young age. Decent money, good sponsors and brown nosed regularly. Poodling around tracks like Eastbourne, Belle Vue, lakeside etc. tracks which are nothing like what you'll encounter in any FIM championship meeting.

No idea how to set a bike up for a big, fast track, the correct lines to ride, not turning the bike twice in a corner and that's before you see the difference in speed between the polish and Danish youngsters compared to ours. We always seem to turn up with mopeds compared to the rest. Look at Harris, king and stead last night. So sloooow.

Can't honestly ever see it getting better unless we get a couple of freaks like woffinden come along at the same time. I watched tai at the start of his career and the difference in his desire and attitude from someone like an Edward Kennett was night and day.

Our youngsters simply don't want it enough.

Someone said kildemand was nothing special at Workington? Complete rubbish, remember seeing him 3/4 years ago at rye and looked the real deal then.

Kurtz was impressive at Sheffield the other night,looks the real deal.

[stratton]

He will surely develop in to a good rider but from what ive seen not a world champ

I see him the other week at the abbey, not a great night in all fairness but gee he was on the pace,No easy rides in against PK ,Batch,tough rides for a 16 year old his gating will improve and will be there abouts in a few years time.I rate Fricke,also young Kurtz but Lambert for me is at least on par if anything better so there is a decent rider there.

[R87]

I posted this on another thread, but will put it her as well, as its relevant

 

I'll quote a couple of lines from the late Simon Wigg's book:

 

"We need stepping stones for British youngsters. Unfortunately, promoters tend to think its important how many races they have on a night, or how the regulations are structured, or whether the team aggregate points limit is set correctly. These are all negative aspects of speedway".

 

And:

 

"If every member of the BSPA were making a million quid a week running speedway, I would listen to them. But they're not. Most of them are busting their a**** to survive - and then tell each other how to run their show. I find that incredible".

[stevebrum]

Yep if im clueless then your completely off the scale..

Of course it was Steve, still trying to justify things i see..

 

 

Still banging that one man drum i see.

[geepeeargh]

Back in 2006 we staged a World U21 Qualifyer at Owlerton. It's interesting to contrast how they finished on the day, and where they are now...

 

Karol Zabik won the final after a fall/exclusion in the heats. He won various junior honours in Poland and rode for Peterborough and Poole before walking out on them early in 2009.

 

Chris Holder finished second. The World champion needs no further...

 

Troy Batchelor scored 10 and qualified for the next round.

 

Lewis Bridger thought it more important to ride for Elite club Eastbourne than to attend the practice at a mere Premier League track which he'd never ridden before. Confidence is a good thing, but when you're experience is predominantly of Eastbourne then you can't really complain when you only muster 3 points at Sheffield.

 

Steve Boxall may be a force to be reckoned with around Rye House, but 5 is what he mustered at Owlerton. Can't see him figuring on the world scene.

 

World champion elect Ed Kennett scraped 10 points together to qualify for the next round. I was surprised. He scored 7 in the British semi-final this year, failing to qualify for the final, and just 5 for Rye House in Sheffield's biggest home win of the season so far. When you learn your trade on a tricky little track...

 

On the other hand, back in 2006 a certain Martin Vaculik was at Owlerton. To be honest he looked even less capable than Filip Sitera and scored just 2 points. I guess the difference was that he persevered on the big continental tracks and today is a presence on the Grand Prix scene.

 

The Americans realized their only chance to make it on the world scene was to turn their backs on their tiny home tracks.

 

The Danes and Swedes used us for experience to become great speedway nations.

 

The New Zealanders and Aussies have milked us for everything they have achieved, and continue to this day.

 

Until we invest in our young talent, and ensure ALL our important meetings are held on big tracks where machine set-up has to be learned we will continue to struggle on the world stage.

 

Restrict the number of non-BRITISH riders per team. (Sod the EU, Poland do). Let's have more test match series against anyone who wants to take us on, but NEVER at any small track where you have to lock back into the corners. We must learn how to beat everyone on the full throttle big tracks like Berwick, Workington, Peterborough and Sheffield.

 

Any big meetings held at the likes of Wolverhampton, Edinburgh, Rye House, Plymouth, Ipswich, Eastbourne are just nails in our coffin.

 

PLEASE let the new Belle Vue be a proper (Polish style) track!

 

If up and coming english lads can't cope with the big tracks then it should be a case of thanks..., next please.

Edited August 4, 2014 by geepeeargh

[Super Blue]

I believe it would be good for the sport to bring big events to some of the smaller tracks just to see how some of the big track specialist countries get on .

 

Speedway should not just be about riding huge tracks as they come in all shapes and sizes and always have done .

 

If a country and it's riders are truly the best in the world then they should be able to adapt their riding accordingly .

 

All big events should not be held at one type of venue !

[g13webb]

Since the SWC all poster are arguing (discussing) about the quality of our riders in comparison to those from other countries'. My take on this will always be related to the quality the riders race in on a regular basis. We were left high and dry having to take 2 riders who race second division standards. It was not their fault. They race down a divisions just as a form of survival .

I relate all the problems to the powers of the BSPA. For years they have been used as a stepping stone by foreign riders to gain experience and for the Promoter to fill a void quickly. Someone with a Danish name will always have preference over an English equivalent just because they think he will be better. Last year the Premier league didn't want to be involved with the FTR, and would rather have a team of foreigners.

All this toing and throwing, who is the best manager. It makes little difference who the manager is. We are a distance off the top teams in developing and encouraging new blood.

We must have rules in place where ALL teams have to have so many home riders..Until such time the promoters put the British rider first, nothing will ever change.

 

PS: This comment was not directed to all specific Promoters, some I believe are doing a grand job. It was directed to the collective body of the BSPA

[R87]

There has to be a balance between big and small tracks. Not enough of the major events are staged on bigger circuits. Plus the under 15 championship rounds are being held on pokey little places like Eastbourne and Rye House. While these clubs have a good track record of developing riders, it can hinder their development if they get to dialled into small tracks

 

I think Hans Nielsen expressed concern when he was at Wolves that it was hindering his ability to race on bigger tracks where - let's face it - most of the big international events are held anyway.