Daniel Smith Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Peterborough is an ideal venue, and not just for the action on track but off it. Acres of space to allow BSI / Monster to have other things going on pre meeting and could make it a mini Cardiff type event. I like the meeting at my home track King's Lynn but it is restrictive to having other things going on during the day. I'd like to see these events have that bit extra about them, especially when held on a weekend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 The SWC I saw at Peterborugh (2009?) was a belter too. yep 13th july 2009 Poland 54 Australia 52 Great Britain 34 Slovenia 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Also on Davey Watts and Chris Holders Twitter. That clown should be banned indefinately, and his boatrace circulated round every track. As i said and i will repeat. Rosco got lucky with a weakened and under par Aussie side. If, Team GB finish runners up on Saturday then i will take my hat off to Rosco and shake his hand next wednesday and say well done. But, i will give Simon Stead his due, he rode very well, and probably caught 99.9% of people out, if, they was truthful, which is something you don't get on this forum... Mate you are talking absolute rubbish!! Last year in the race off Australia had THE SAME 4 RIDERS!!! They scored 36 points against us scoring 28 Event 1 this year with THE SAME 4 RIDERS Australia scored, wait for it...........36 points. They were no different to the same Australia as last year so they werent under par they were the same. True weakened without Holder......same as last year!!!! You have no argument so stop making yourself look silly. Ward was below par but Doyle and Batchelor scored more. Oh and in case you were wondering as well at Lynn last year good old Middlos choices got 5 between them. This year Rosco's choices got 21!!!!! Its not rocket science to say we are better than last yera with a better manager. One last thing, if you knew anything about speedway just getting to the final with the pool of riders we have is an achievement, anything else is a bonus, so please stop spouting the 'if we come 2nd' crap because if you knew anything you know we have no hope of beating a full strength Polish and Danish side. We may scrape 3rd if we are lucky. Why is it so difficlut to admit Rosco has done better than Middlo did??? Take your blue tints off man!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Making the final is an excellent effort. A bronze medal would be exceptional. A silver would be dreamland. A gold would be a miracle. Im just hoping we show the right spirit and are in the mix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Making the final is an excellent effort. A bronze medal would be exceptional. A silver would be dreamland. A gold would be a miracle. Im just hoping we show the right spirit and are in the mix Your statement is spot on. Though a certain person thinks silver is what we should get and then only then has Rosco done well!! Laughable. Team GB have over achieved no 2 ways about it And for those people saying ' we should expect to be in the final' no we shouldnt not with the pool of riders we have and that is down to the people who run the sport at grass roots. Do the Americans ' expect' to be in the final? No they dont. Quite right like us they used to be a force with Hancock, Hamill, Ermolenko, Correy but they dont ahve that pool of riders and neither do we. We have done well to make the final so stop bleating and enjoy it. I personally think we will be 4th but if we are in for a scrap for bronze i would take that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Peterborough is an ideal venue, and not just for the action on track but off it. Acres of space to allow BSI / Monster to have other things going on pre meeting and could make it a mini Cardiff type event. I like the meeting at my home track King's Lynn but it is restrictive to having other things going on during the day. I'd like to see these events have that bit extra about them, especially when held on a weekend DON'T think the Showground authorities are very receptive to the idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Its not been great for two or three seasons now.....up to 2002 in the top division it was one of the best racetracks in the country but it was never great in the PL with a lower standard of rider and although 2011 in the EL was very good in terms if racing its not been great since. The track prep is good but perhaps the shale is more suited to cars than bikes? It was only recently you referred my post as tripe, but the above comes into that category . I would imagine you know as much about preparing a track as I do. To suggest Buster is using the wrong shale is laughable. Why would Buster do that for an event as big as SWC. You say the track been rubbish now since we returned to the Elite league. But I 've seen some wonderful races at the NA since we re-joined the top league. Either you don't want remember, or probably just like agreeing with others. either way, to say our track has been poor for 3 yrs. is insulting to all the hard that Buster and crew puts in to make it a track that everyone want to ride on........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 DON'T think the Showground authorities are very receptive to the idea Not sure that's true. More likely BSI don't approve of the rent fee's for hiring the grounds + the extra cost that would be required to introduce grandstands on the back straights. But you have to admit, for pure racing there's no better place in the UK 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) It was only recently you referred my post as tripe, but the above comes into that category . I would imagine you know as much about preparing a track as I do. To suggest Buster is using the wrong shale is laughable. Why would Buster do that for an event as big as SWC. You say the track been rubbish now since we returned to the Elite league. But I 've seen some wonderful races at the NA since we re-joined the top league. Either you don't want remember, or probably just like agreeing with others. either way, to say our track has been poor for 3 yrs. is insulting to all the hard that Buster and crew puts in to make it a track that everyone want to ride on........ If you think the racing over the last couple of seasons has been as good as 2011 or pre 2003 you are in dreamland. I've never questioned Buster's skills, I've said prep has always been good BUT there is some reason why racing isn't as good as it was. The track always looks immaculately prepared but passing is limited nowadays, the idea of different shale is one I've suggested along with one or two others on different threads. It's not moaning, its stating my opinion as a regular customer. And if you don't believe me ask some non Lynn fans who don't wear your star shaped specs I like Halifaxtiger or Bigcatdiary. And it was squit not tripe Edited July 28, 2014 by Gordon Bennett 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 If you think the racing over the last couple of seasons has been as good as 2011 or pre 2003 you are in dreamland. I've never questioned Buster's skills, I've said prep has always been good BUT there is some reason why racing isn't as good as it was. The track always looked immaculately prepared but passing is limited nowadays, the idea of different shale is one I've suggested along with one or two others on different threads. It'd not moaning, its stating my opinion as a regular customer. And if you don't believe me ask some non Lynn fans who don't wear your star shaped specs I like Hakifaxtiger or Bigcatdiary. And it was squit not tripe The loss of Huggy was huge. Buster is an excellent track curator with pre-meeting preparation, i.e. blading, laying etc but Huggys use of the tractor was amazing. He created racing lines with a slick inside gradually getting deeper the closer to the fence you got. We don't see that anymore with the dirt consistent inside to out. The most evident to that has been the lack of riders being able to gain ground with an outside blasts. That certainly has been the case since our return to the Elite League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 DON'T think the Showground authorities are very receptive to the idea The chief executive Andrew Mercer left years ago Phil, him and his assistant caused the problems at the 2009 Final, his assistant left before Mercer. I would be surprised if a deal couldn't be done, whether the current promoters/lease holders are interested is another matter entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 You could well be right screamer but I remember 2011 being a very entertaining season; a televised match early on against Lakeside had passing in nearly every race, Freddie Lindgren coming from last to first wearing black and white in heat 13 v Wolves, Emil and Kenneth overtaking each other and others for fun v Coventry on Sayfudinov's UK début, etc. We get three or four decent races out of fifteen nowadays unfortunately, although a good race at Lynn is usually a better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsamann Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 I think everyone should stop banging on about how poor the racing and track is at lynn and use their brains and work out for themselves what the problem in general is, the engines have developed too fast for the tracks but the speed they mostly attain is straight line speed so long straights create bigger gaps between riders the new silencers have seriously affected outside line speed as the grippier shale sucks the horsepower out of the engine this leads to all top riders making sure they stick to the inside line for the first few races then move out as the inside becomes slicker and you always get a bit better racing at the end of a meeting as the temperature drops and the engines delop more horsepower and grunt and can then produce more racing lines simples 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 That is one of the things I've suggested recently, the tracks with shorter straights and longer bends tend to provide the better racing nowadays, tracks with longer straights tend not to. Makes you wonder if taking the white line in all the way round at Lynn to make it more circular might be the way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 have to agree the main problem in speedway these days is that technology has taken over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsamann Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 That is one of the things I've suggested recently, the tracks with shorter straights and longer bends tend to provide the better racing nowadays, tracks with longer straights tend not to. Makes you wonder if taking the white line in all the way round at Lynn to make it more circular might be the way forward. unfortunately as it is now concrete on the track centre the cost would be prohibitive a sad fact is the shape is here to stay whereas if it was grass it would not be difficult to reshape the bends and shorten the straights aka ipswich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 unfortunately as it is now concrete on the track centre the cost would be prohibitive a sad fact is the shape is here to stay whereas if it was grass it would not be difficult to reshape the bends and shorten the straights aka ipswich Let's be honest the shape has been pretty much the same for years.So surely it's not got much to do with the shape.The constant watering down of the league and many mis-matched races may be one reason,and what someone else said earlier the bikes themselves are a contributing factor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 That is one of the things I've suggested recently, the tracks with shorter straights and longer bends tend to provide the better racing nowadays, tracks with longer straights tend not to. Makes you wonder if taking the white line in all the way round at Lynn to make it more circular might be the way forward. There have been many changes with speedway over the years, not all of them have been for the better. Mostly it has created a more costly sport and very nearly pricing itself to extinction. One of the constants that has been around since the year dot is the shape of the track. Your idea of a 'more circular' shape goes against any idea I may have. I say leave well alone. I think everyone should stop banging on about how poor the racing and track is at lynn and use their brains and work out for themselves what the problem in general is, the engines have developed too fast for the tracks but the speed they mostly attain is straight line speed so long straights create bigger gaps between riders the new silencers have seriously affected outside line speed as the grippier shale sucks the horsepower out of the engine this leads to all top riders making sure they stick to the inside line for the first few races then move out as the inside becomes slicker and you always get a bit better racing at the end of a meeting as the temperature drops and the engines delop more horsepower and grunt and can then produce more racing lines simples I have always believed this to be the case. The bikes now are such a technical masterpieces they are far removed from anything we experienced in the past. Speaking recently to Michael Lee , he said riding the bikes of today was totally different to that from his time. Now it is all about keeping the engine revving, whereas in his day it was more torque at lower engine speeds.. Probably that answers the question about the quality of races.......... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Go look at the kind of racing that 'circular' tracks like Somerset, Peterborough, Plymouth, Scunny, Mildenhall, Sheffield, some Swedish tracks etc can produce. Probably not a good idea to dismiss the idea of altering Lynn's dimensions completely out of hand. Especially if bikes are going to become faster and more powerful still, which I'd say is inevitable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Do you think 100s of people woke up one day and hated Darcy Ward and decided to give him a bit of stick? Or do you think Darcy Ward is a bit of a plonker and 100s of people have realised this and so have started giving him a bit of stick? No, but it would seem that 100s of people must already hate him to react like they are doing. You don't suddenly realise that someone is a 'pathetic spoilt brat' unless you have a pre-conceived opinion of that person and you're just waiting for him to do something that you can use as an excuse to lambast him. Do you not think that being the potential biggest threat to GB winning might have something to do with it and the crowd enjoyed seeing him fail? Or even the fact that he is a Poole rider maybe? What Darcy did was unprofessional maybe (like many other riders have been at times) but it hardly warrants the stick he's getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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