Mini Jack Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 And for years they have been running on sats against teams with half there sides missing . The main reason why people will go to watch a speedway teams is the strength of the sides . You could have silencers that produced great racing but if they find out that that Justin Sedgeman is riding rather than Hans Andersen then they won't go in the first place Careful. Sedgy was a bit miffed at the comments on the updates site the other night. Don't want him coming after you too 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 The is now very little money coming into the sport from Sky. The big money earner for the Elite League stopped at the end of last year with the new TV deal. The Elite League and the BPSA only have themselves to blame. What has happened now that Sky no longer support the Elite League they had enough warning from them and I still can't see that the BPSA have done anything to replace them with a new sponsor. That was an awful lot of money to lose every year, into the golden honey pot. Still for the life of me can't see where all the money went to. With the cash that came in over the last 15 years we should have had every team in the Elite League with a stadium to the class of the Poluish ones. The goose that laid the golden egg has now gone broody and it is looking like the BPSA are finding it hard to find even a bronze chicken to come and take the place.. and its all the fault of BSI's evil empire this don't forget!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 So the speedway clubs just sit back year in year out and let the stadiums that are bad now fall into even worse repair. If they don't own it they they should make the owners do something about it or get someone to help them to get thier own stadium. They have carried on in this blinkered way for the best part of over 50 or more years. With stadiums that are an absolute eye sore. And still expect people to fork out £15 to £ 17 a meeting to go and sit or stand in a dump. There must be some sort of sporting grant out there to help cover the costs. Lots of other sports seem to do it so why niot our sport. Will you personally want to go in say 15 years time when your speedway track is in so bad a condition due to nothing being spent on that even the rats have run away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 So the speedway clubs just sit back year in year out and let the stadiums that are bad now fall into even worse repair. If they don't own it they they should make the owners do something about it or get someone to help them to get thier own stadium. They have carried on in this blinkered way for the best part of over 50 or more years. With stadiums that are an absolute eye sore. And still expect people to fork out £15 to £ 17 a meeting to go and sit or stand in a dump. There must be some sort of sporting grant out there to help cover the costs. Lots of other sports seem to do it so why niot our sport. Will you personally want to go in say 15 years time when your speedway track is in so bad a condition due to nothing being spent on that even the rats have run away. You're right instead of Speedway Promoters asking for rent holidays and spread payments to keep there club going they should be chucking the towel in and acknowledging that the stadiums are worth more as housing even if it takes 10 years to get the facility outside the unitary plan like Long Eaton and Cradley. I take it for granted that you are but could you explain to the members exactly what kind of d*ckhead you are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 pandorum, on 24 Jul 2014 - 12:37 PM, said: Once the new National Stadium opens next year everything will be fine. TV deals and sponsorship will come flooding in and the EL will go from strength to strength. Â Either that or the sport will continue to collapse whilst fiddling hopelessly whilst everything around them crashes and burns in the forlorn hope 'something' will happen to arrest the slide. The product is in the main Excellent ...What the sport needs is a Barry Hearn figure to take it by the scruff of the neck & PROMOTE it ! Look what has happened with darts !!!!!!! It can be done BUT everybody would have to buy into it ...And there is the problem I don't think they all would ............... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Stadiums are rubbish but if we were honest with ourselves we would stand knee deep in mud if the racing was really that good, fact is the product has gone down hill through bike design changing and poor track preparation as well as other things. What the sport needs is to be a better spectacle and to have some credibility about it by doing away with the silly rules and formats that promote unfairness and manipulation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 The product is in the main Excellent ...What the sport needs is a Barry Hearn figure to take it by the scruff of the neck & PROMOTE it ! Look what has happened with darts !!!!!!! It can be done BUT everybody would have to buy into it ...And there is the problem I don't think they all would ............... The product is NOT excellent - that is why fans are leaving in their droves! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 The product is NOT excellent - that is why fans are leaving in their droves! The basic product isn't too bad but it needs completely rebranding with fresh promotional ideas and rider absences need to be eradicated either by squads on set nights OR by only using riders committed to all of their clubs fixtures. Â Top level British speedway is at a crossroads and needs to go one way or the other, at the moment it is dithering in the middle of the carriageway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 The product is in the main Excellent ...What the sport needs is a Barry Hearn figure to take it by the scruff of the neck & PROMOTE it ! Look what has happened with darts !!!!!!! It can be done BUT everybody would have to buy into it ...And there is the problem I don't think they all would ............... Â Let's start with the basics of decent presentation and communication during a meeting. Most of that doesn't cost anything and can be done locally, it doesn't need Barry Hearn! In the bigger picture then perhaps it needs something like that but the expectaction that fans will turn up just because a couple of races might be good if you're lucky (although those races are also needed) are well gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 The basic product isn't too bad  If Speedway is the product then its an excellent product. The problem is in the management and the presentation 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Â If Speedway is the product then its an excellent product. The problem is in the management and the presentation short but correct post, a presenter can make or break atmosphere. im not bothered if its joe bloggs 22nd birthday myself, a presenter needs to hold the attention from the off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allister cov boy Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I fully agree with Crump99 about presentation and communication. I now pick and choose my meetings. At Brandon the presentation is DIRE. Meetings regularly drag on and on with a PA system that is inaudible on the back straight. What was the promoters answer to this poor presentation ? Did they slicken their show ? NO they just brought the start time forward so they could drift along at their usual pace. Earlier this year we rode at Monmore Green and the meeting started 30 minutes late because of a rainstorm. CVS certainly ran a slick show as the meeting was completed in 90 minutes. Pity the Cov promoters couldn't follow his example. I am sure the reasons for the decline in attendance will vary from track to track but we can't put the clock back to when Britain dominated and every rider wanted to be riding here. We will never have enough money coming into the sport to have EL teams full of world stars and we fans have to realise this. The product is going to be diluted even further if promoters are not going to follow Birmingham and Eastbourne and I know it is sad for us that have seen much better times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Promoters want to stand on the terraces and experience the show from a fan's point of view and then work out what they can do to improve it!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I would like to see the BSPA (I know they wont do it, but I would like to see somebody carry it out) ask a few people who have never been to speedway before to stand on the terraces and see what they say, then perhaps carry out some of the suggestions they make. Get an outsiders view on the sport. As people have said, the basic product of speedway is fine, you see all the riders, all the time, all the race. It's short, sharp, bursts of action. The problem is the rule changes in the sport, which a lot of outsiders cant understand or find strange, the promotion and presentation of the sport. Promoters and administrators are constantly complaining about numbers falling, but are they willing to seek any help / advice on changes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 My 2 twenty something children went to Lynn yesterday, much to my annoyance!!!! They won't go to Lynn for a league meeting. The main reason was because of the better atmosphere and the expectation of a good meeting! Perhaps Wolves and Sheffield have the best idea of only having half or third of the stadiums available to fans so the atmosphere the fans generate is contained? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 The basic product isn't too bad but it needs completely rebranding with fresh promotional ideas and rider absences need to be eradicated either by squads on set nights OR by only using riders committed to all of their clubs fixtures. Â Top level British speedway is at a crossroads and needs to go one way or the other, at the moment it is dithering in the middle of the carriageway. I agree. Go genuine Elite or do without the top riders. The current hybrid is poor. Â Domestic speedway needs a T20 style shot in the arm. Â Could the WTC format offer that? 16 teams (pick the best stadia/track/brand). Each team has only 5 home matches and 15 away. Â 1 set race night (Monday or Thursday?) to allow GP riders involvement. Â Rider ranking to determine team strength. World top 20 graded 4 to PL heat leader standard graded 1. Maximum 10 grade points per team. Â With only 5 home matches at Elite level, tracks either run Premier League standard team or operate more than 1 Elite franchise (i.e. Wolves and Cradley both from Monmore) Â No guests no R/R. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 My 2 twenty something children went to Lynn yesterday, much to my annoyance!!!! They won't go to Lynn for a league meeting. The main reason was because of the better atmosphere and the expectation of a good meeting! Perhaps Wolves and Sheffield have the best idea of only having half or third of the stadiums available to fans so the atmosphere the fans generate is contained? I can understand their viewpoint Trees, a good atmosphere amongst a big crowd can make a good night out at speedway even if the racing isn't great. Maybe less would be more in the EL, less meetings but with stronger teams and hopefully better racing, bigger crowds and a better atmosphere? Something to really look forward to like the SWC last night. No guests no R/R. Whatever they decide this needs to happen, people are fed up with incomplete teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Trouble is can they rely on these fans turning up to league racing and what about the clubs that have to rent their stadium by the season? What do they fill the spare weeks with? Wish it was as easy for British Elite League Speedway as it is for BPL, Swedish, Danish and Polish speedway!! Â I reckon Buster needs to go back to Huggy type tracks, see if that improves the racing at Lynn :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Promoters want to stand on the terraces and experience the show from a fan's point of view and then work out what they can do to improve it!!! Â As the ones who serve it up they'd think that it was triffic don't you think? No guests no R/R. Â That's fine if it's like for like changes and a team is not disadvantaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I have my doubts if some of them give it any thought tbh!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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