ColinMills Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 What the Elite League needs to do is to copy the model Sweden uses, have a couple of days a week set aside for meetings, with eight teams you have seven home and seven away plus at least one more for a cup match and pre season opener/individuals then a play off at the end. Less is more! less meetings will mean each match is more important because if you miss one you might have to wait three or four weeks for the next home meeting, it should also allow the top riders to be able to ride over here thus making the product more attractive, those seven or eight home meetings should be "not to miss affairs"! No guest riders, rider replacement or squad system allowed for injured riders but fixtures arranged so no clashes with any other competition or country. Put the emphasis on quality of meetings not quantity of meetings. like this post...a match needs to feel like an "event".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Every person involved with this sport is aware that it is far to expensive to continue along the present lines.. It's too expensive to Watch, too expensive to Promote, and too expensive to ride. The only people who are benefitting from this costly indulgence, are the TOP riders, Engine suppliers and Engine tuners. Until this situation changes, the sport will just bleed a slow death to extinction. Drastic action is urgently needed, Who's going to be the next track to close ???????????? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) no way will one big league happen , the elite league will limp on and on till its ultimate end or either it will slowly make a recovery , in time for sky sports new channel (sky sports 12) ..lol it doesnt help when the elite has one very rich club , as all other teams then have to break the bank just to compete, best way forward would be to cut costs drastically , yes poole might not like it , but if its the only way to stop clubs disapearing then thats the way to go fans moan that its not the elite with the quality of riders , maybe not , but 'elite' is just a word , not really meaning the elite of speedway , maybe the elite of british speedway , ie woffy harris cook barker etc etc an end to foreigners comin in on fake averages millik on a 4???? he should of been a 6 !!!!... one reason why poole are where they are year on year! if things arent done there soon wont be enough average attendances to pay the rent , let alone the riders wages etc Edited July 23, 2014 by heathen chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 What I do not understand is why riders turn up week after week if they have not been paid. If say in the case of Birmingham both the riders and the stadium have not been paid , what has happened to the gate receipts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 What the Elite League needs to do is to copy the model Sweden uses, have a couple of days a week set aside for meetings, with eight teams you have seven home and seven away plus at least one more for a cup match and pre season opener/individuals then a play off at the end. Less is more! less meetings will mean each match is more important because if you miss one you might have to wait three or four weeks for the next home meeting, it should also allow the top riders to be able to ride over here thus making the product more attractive, those seven or eight home meetings should be "not to miss affairs"! No guest riders, rider replacement or squad system allowed for injured riders but fixtures arranged so no clashes with any other competition or country. Put the emphasis on quality of meetings not quantity of meetings. Only those clubs with their own stadia will be able to race on a specified race night for all clubs. Fewer meetings means less income and those clubs with their own stadia will possibly go to the wall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeoBrummie Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) What I do not understand is why riders turn up week after week if they have not been paid. If say in the case of Birmingham both the riders and the stadium have not been paid , what has happened to the gate receipts. http://mercedesbenzbirminghamcentral-px.rtrk.co.uk/content/united-kingdom/retail-mb-retail-group/mercedes-benz-birmingham/en/desktop/passenger-cars.html Edited July 23, 2014 by BeoBrummie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Every person involved with this sport is aware that it is far to expensive to continue along the present lines.. It's too expensive to Watch, too expensive to Promote, and too expensive to ride. The only people who are benefitting from this costly indulgence, are the TOP riders, Engine suppliers and Engine tuners. Until this situation changes, the sport will just bleed a slow death to extinction. Drastic action is urgently needed, Who's going to be the next track to close ???????????? Good post but it raises the 64000 dollar question: do we drop the top riders and can the sport survive without them , do we somehow limit what they can be paid (difficult to avoid the extra cash in a brown envelope being slipped across) or do we find a way to accommodate them , and if we have them how do we stop top promoters bringing in off the peg foreigners instead of investing in young British talent ? No easy answer IMO but maybe we have to take a step backwards to consolidate before we can move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 What the Elite League needs to do is to copy the model Sweden uses, have a couple of days a week set aside for meetings, with eight teams you have seven home and seven away plus at least one more for a cup match and pre season opener/individuals then a play off at the end. Less is more! less meetings will mean each match is more important because if you miss one you might have to wait three or four weeks for the next home meeting, it should also allow the top riders to be able to ride over here thus making the product more attractive, those seven or eight home meetings should be "not to miss affairs"! No guest riders, rider replacement or squad system allowed for injured riders but fixtures arranged so no clashes with any other competition or country. Put the emphasis on quality of meetings not quantity of meetings. Top post. Been saying for ages that speedway every week is not viable these days. One night a week and home every fortnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) you ask most bham fans which league was best and I know it won't be EL............ The EL brought us more exposure and sponsors IMO, what put most people off was a dopey owner and his dopey ideals, Phillips would have killed us regardless of league IMO. That's not to say the EL doesn't have plenty of problems, but this idea that the PL would have cured all our ill's is just silly, the league we were in wasn't the root problem at Birmingham. Peterborough has the best race track in the country in my opinion and the only reason why they are still running is because of Mick Horton. Mick has stated that he wanted to save the best race track in the country and it wasn't about making money however Mick is a couple of hundred paying adults short every week just to break even. If the PL is the holy land of speedway finances, why is a club like Peterborough with a racers track coming up short still ?. Edited July 23, 2014 by david2905 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Its only a matter of time before there are not enough paying customers to sustain the Elite lge, and then there will be just one British Lge. Won't be next year, or the year after, but it will eventually happen imo.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 . How do you know for sure there will be a EL next year? It may be one big league north a south without the top riders who seam to say there can't cope, LOL you ask most bham fans which league was best and I know it won't be EL............ He was bloody sure Wolves would make the play offs and Proctor would do an 8.00 average as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 All 3 leagues have big flaws. The EL staggers on each year and manages to survive, but will not thrive with the continued watering down of the product, poor presentation, and long drawn out meetings and the repetitive fixture list. Yes, the PL has more variety in terms of clubs. However, just as in the EL, there are clubs who stagger towards survival each year - Glasgow and Edinburgh have both had cash flow issues in recent years. As for the NL, well that is too lopsided with some clubs using it for the intended purpose of developing young riders, while others build teams to just bulldoze everyone else. I don't want to watch 60 30 wins every week. Amalgamation isn't the answer. It didn't work in the 90s for the same reason as it wouldn't now, because speedway has too much self-interest. Until this is removed, and the sport is run independently, then none of the leagues can possibly thrive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 That's the problem now days. EL is better. This is the problem the fans just don't seem that interested now days compared to what the crowds use to be like. I watch meetings on bet365 and I can say there are nowhere near enough fans turning up for meetings for promoters to make money on the night. A certain irony there perhaps ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clambo71 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 He was bloody sure Wolves would make the play offs and Proctor would do an 8.00 average as well. So was I.But a lot hinged on Proctor starting 2014 the way he finished 2013 when he suffered his season ending injury.At that time his season average was close to 8.00 As for the play offs that was also affected by a world champion failing to perform in the UK only it seems. So I believe stevebrum was right that wolves stood a good chance to make the playoffs and your post is yet another effort by yourself to have a dig and not to contribute to the debate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) So was I.But a lot hinged on Proctor starting 2014 the way he finished 2013 when he suffered his season ending injury.At that time his season average was close to 8.00 As for the play offs that was also affected by a world champion failing to perform in the UK only it seems. So I believe stevebrum was right that wolves stood a good chance to make the playoffs and your post is yet another effort by yourself to have a dig and not to contribute to the debate. For what it's worth I think the BSPA are the biggest problem we have in this country and like a lot of others think the sports continued spiralling downwards is mostly because most haven't woken up and smelt the coffee. Until they make radical changes to race nights and team make ups it will get worse and let's be fair if sky pull the plug it's finished. Brum couldn't survive even with its share of the pot. And don't even get me started on the complete joke of a rule book. Edited July 24, 2014 by bigcatdiary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) What the Elite League needs to do is to copy the model Sweden uses, have a couple of days a week set aside for meetings, with eight teams you have seven home and seven away plus at least one more for a cup match and pre season opener/individuals then a play off at the end. Less is more! less meetings will mean each match is more important because if you miss one you might have to wait three or four weeks for the next home meeting, it should also allow the top riders to be able to ride over here thus making the product more attractive, those seven or eight home meetings should be "not to miss affairs"! No guest riders, rider replacement or squad system allowed for injured riders but fixtures arranged so no clashes with any other competition or country. Put the emphasis on quality of meetings not quantity of meetings. I've been saying this for years! To many meetings which is expensive for many people particularly for families! Even for those fans fortunate to not have to watch the pennies, many don't want to watch the same old teams over and over! Fans then pick and choose meetings! The professional football Leagues and indeed most amateur football Leagues are once at home, once away with a home meeting every fortnight. This keeps things interesting. Any home fans who want to watch more can watch the reserve or academy teams. This could happen in speedway with senior tracks running a team in the National League. Mildenhall speedway is a perfect example of a British speedway outfit who do well through not having too many meetings. Mildenhall average from March to October a meeting every 2.5-3 weeks which keeps interest high and the crowd levels at West Row are higher than more than a few PL tracks and I suspect a couple of EL teams! In fact Mildenhall on average get bigger crowds now in the National League than what they did in the Premier League when they had to run a home week virtually every week! Sweden and Poland get much bigger crowds than what we do but look at some of their meetings that aren't League matches and you'll see they are not well attended! Quality is better than quantity! Cramming in meetings left right and centre every week worked in the golden era from the mid 60's to early 80's when interest was high with crowds 4-5 times bigger than what they are now and when their was less leisure choice but nowadays it doesn't work. The now almost blanket absence of challenge matches and individuals are proof of this. We all remember a time when the big individual meetings were often the best attended meetings but now they are all but dead. Ipswich used to have the golden sovereign, Star of Anglia, 16 lapper and even some other one because they were well supported! Edited July 23, 2014 by 25yearfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Without saving money this year on the fast track riders,how many teams would have started the season in the EL.It's obvious it was bought in to save money but without this where would the EL be. So we have to put up with an even more inferior product and pay the same price for it no thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 no way will one big league happen , the elite league will limp on and on till its ultimate end or either it will slowly make a recovery , in time for sky sports new channel (sky sports 12) ..lol it doesnt help when the elite has one very rich club , as all other teams then have to break the bank just to compete, best way forward would be to cut costs drastically , yes poole might not like it , but if its the only way to stop clubs disapearing then thats the way to go fans moan that its not the elite with the quality of riders , maybe not , but 'elite' is just a word , not really meaning the elite of speedway , maybe the elite of british speedway , ie woffy harris cook barker etc etc an end to foreigners comin in on fake averages millik on a 4???? he should of been a 6 !!!!... one reason why poole are where they are year on year! if things arent done there soon wont be enough average attendances to pay the rent , let alone the riders wages etc millik was available to ANYONE on a 4, but Poole got to him first. Been covered/discussed on here at the beginning of the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 He was bloody sure Wolves would make the play offs and Proctor would do an 8.00 average as well. I was and was wrong, next? So was I.But a lot hinged on Proctor starting 2014 the way he finished 2013 when he suffered his season ending injury.At that time his season average was close to 8.00 As for the play offs that was also affected by a world champion failing to perform in the UK only it seems. So I believe stevebrum was right that wolves stood a good chance to make the playoffs and your post is yet another effort by yourself to have a dig and not to contribute to the debate. Its a Peterborough thing. Plus Hans fan is the worst for making sweeping statements and when proved wrong go and hide. BCD has made some sensible effort in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 millik was available to ANYONE on a 4, but Poole got to him first. Been covered/discussed on here at the beginning of the season. He was. Still falsely assessed not matter who signed him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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