Wolverhampton 2015

[Red Flag]

Woffy isn't the answer - he doesn't want to ride over here and he showed this last year when his average dropped like a stone as the other's have.He is the answer as is Piotr ,will never accept Woffy doesn't care any true Wollves fan wants Woofy back would rather watch him race than count the crowd

 

Wolfie

Messed that up but you know what I mean.......hopefully

[sommelier]

I do think Wolves need a BIG new team rebulid for next year, no disrespect to the likes of Karlsson & Lindgren, but time to get rid of the old laundry. If i was CVS top of my list would be to get Brady Kurtz, such a young tallent. You have a very nice stadium, one of the best prepared tracks in the country & a good fan base. No reason why you can't attract star riders.

[New Science]

I do think Wolves need a BIG new team rebulid for next year, no disrespect to the likes of Karlsson & Lindgren, but time to get rid of the old laundry. If i was CVS top of my list would be to get Brady Kurtz, such a young tallent. You have a very nice stadium, one of the best prepared tracks in the country & a good fan base. No reason why you can't attract star riders.

The fan base is falling fast judging by the crowd against Poole on Monday. Wolves have no money to sign the best young stars

[sommelier]

The fan base is falling fast judging by the crowd against Poole on Monday. Wolves have no money to sign the best young stars

I have only been to wolves 6 times this year & crowds looked ok, would have thought you would have got a good crowd against Poole ? i'll be going on Monday just to see how Ward gets on.

[New Science]

I have only been to wolves 6 times this year & crowds looked ok, would have thought you would have got a good crowd against Poole ? i'll be going on Monday just to see how Ward gets on.

The crowd on Monday was the lowest I have seen for a non TV match at Monmore. I think other promoters might have fired a warning in the press about crowd levels but you will not find CVS airing dirty washing in public. Edited July 25, 2015 by New Science

[sommelier]

The crowd on Monday was the lowest I have seen for a non TV match at Monmore. I think other promoters might have fired a warning in the press about crowd levels but you will not find CVS airing dirty washing in public.

Thats a shame, lot of history in Wolverhampton speedway, you have had some fine riders over the years. First started watching speedway at wolves in 1969, fond memories of Norman Hunter, then Ole, my favourite rider of all times.

[R87]

The other problem is that when you look at the retained list, it's riddled with riders who are either coming towards the end of their careers, or have found their level.

 

That isn't helped by basic team building errors which often see riders riding in a position higher than they should be. Peter Karlsson for example is still capable of holding a second string place, but should not be riding at number one.

 

If we're being realistic, the only two assets who would generate major cash should they be sold and that's Woffinden and Pawlicki.

[INCOGNITO]

If we're being realistic, the only two assets who would generate major cash should they be sold and that's Woffinden and Pawlicki.

Lindgren ?

Pedersen ?

Wells ?

Musielak ?

Thorssell ?

Klindt ?

Proctor ?

 

There are some good assets at the club but no one is likely to be buying them when they are not interested in riding here or as Poole showed can be loaned even if there owners want to sell.

 

 

Next year is a different matter and until the rules are set and the format worked out we can say who would be worth keeping and who wouldn't but on a 6 plus average Lindgren has to be back as he is much better than that and will prove it if the format is better

 

 

 

You should be Wolves PR manager, your post makes it sound like they've had a decent season.

The post you are referring to doesn't say the team has done well but simply points out that once again riders are signed hoping they can improve or hold their own in a position they are not strong enough for.

 

David Howe for example was a credit to the club but got ridiculed by the fans because he wasn't being the heat leader he was signed as even when he went well.

 

At the time too much pressure was on him to score double figures when in reality he should have been the third heat leader and not the second.

 

He struggled in the big heats 13 and 15 but still averaged over 7 as he often got 8 from his first three rides but suddenly came up against top class riders.

 

 

It's a matter of balance and getting the right people for the right position just as Lewis Hamilton isnt going to be Fi Champion in a Vauxhall Corsa.

Edited July 26, 2015 by INCOGNITO

[R87]

Lindgren ?

Pedersen ?

Wells ?

Musielak ?

Thorssell ?

Klindt ?

Proctor ?

 

There are some good assets at the club but no one is likely to be buying them when they are not interested in riding here or as Poole showed can be loaned even if there owners want to sell.

 

 

Next year is a different matter and until the rules are set and the format worked out we can say who would be worth keeping and who wouldn't but on a 6 plus average Lindgren has to be back as he is much better than that and will prove it if the format is better

 

 

 

 

The post you are referring to doesn't say the team has done well but simply points out that once again riders are signed hoping they can improve or hold their own in a position they are not strong enough for.

 

David Howe for example was a credit to the club but got ridiculed by the fans because he wasn't being the heat leader he was signed as even when he went well.

 

At the time too much pressure was on him to score double figures when in reality he should have been the third heat leader and not the second.

 

He struggled in the big heats 13 and 15 but still averaged over 7 as he often got 8 from his first three rides but suddenly came up against top class riders.

 

 

It's a matter of balance and getting the right people for the right position just as Lewis Hamilton isnt going to be Fi Champion in a Vauxhall Corsa.

I did say MAJOR cash. I'm not sure the likes of Wells, Thorssell or even Lindgren would make a particularly large profit if the club decided to cash in. Pedersen maybe, but can't see any club buying him in the current climate.

[stevebrum]

I did say MAJOR cash. I'm not sure the likes of Wells, Thorssell or even Lindgren would make a particularly large profit if the club decided to cash in. Pedersen maybe, but can't see any club buying him in the current climate.

Why would any club buy a rider that has no intention of riding in the UK?

Lindgren would command a large profit if he wanted to be sold, that there is no doubt.

[T.N.T.]

It is pretty rare these days for transfers to take place in the sport unless it's some new superstar as many deals now seem to be rider exchanges or loan deals.

 

There would not need to be a vast amount spent therefore to get a solid team together but just the right riders for the job required of them. Therefore the one rider that seems to be in a difficult position is Ricky Wells who as a second string has been possibly the best and most consistent rider in the team this season but now has an average over 6.5 and now in a heat leader role.

 

 

However Ricky has shown signs he is ready to be tested more but not as a second heat leader which adds too much pressure and his away form is still questionable. The key signings next season would be riders that can score big points away and while one of those needs to be a heat leader, in Tobiasz I think the club have a rider on a low average who could do well at away tracks like Poole, Swindon and Kings Lynn plus the new Belle Vue track is set to be quite bigger.

 

 

As it stands at the moment it's just a case of trying to do the best with what we have and avoid the wooden spoon. Tonight we take on Swindon at Monmore for the first time and they now have possibly the strongest line up in the league.

[dabbsjoe]

It is pretty rare these days for transfers to take place in the sport unless it's some new superstar as many deals now seem to be rider exchanges or loan deals.

 

There would not need to be a vast amount spent therefore to get a solid team together but just the right riders for the job required of them. Therefore the one rider that seems to be in a difficult position is Ricky Wells who as a second string has been possibly the best and most consistent rider in the team this season but now has an average over 6.5 and now in a heat leader role.

 

 

However Ricky has shown signs he is ready to be tested more but not as a second heat leader which adds too much pressure and his away form is still questionable. The key signings next season would be riders that can score big points away and while one of those needs to be a heat leader, in Tobiasz I think the club have a rider on a low average who could do well at away tracks like Poole, Swindon and Kings Lynn plus the new Belle Vue track is set to be quite bigger.

 

 

As it stands at the moment it's just a case of trying to do the best with what we have and avoid the wooden spoon. Tonight we take on Swindon at Monmore for the first time and they now have possibly the strongest line up in the league.

 

the key to next year is to not sign a rider before the rules on team building are set. that way we won't be lumbered with another under performing rider in the wrong position like we were with Thorssell

[mikebv]

Cannot see any team paying out BIG money for the transfer of any Speedway rider anymore given that at any moment team building rules can change and you could end up with not being able to use your newly acquired 'prize asset'...

 

And then, even if you can use him in your team as the team strength rules allow it, he simply then decides to give GB a miss!!

[T.N.T.]

 

the key to next year is to not sign a rider before the rules on team building are set. that way we won't be lumbered with another under performing rider in the wrong position like we were with Thorssell

 

 

I understand what you mean but Jacob was signed up to be third or fourth in the averages but they failed to sign another heat leader and were limited by who was available due to Freddie's 8.92 average which was never going to be achieved. Next season however on an average under 7 points a match Freddie must be signed regardless of what position he starts or the rules and format set.

Edited July 27, 2015 by T.N.T.

[SCB]

Why would any club buy a rider that has no intention of riding in the UK?

Lindgren would command a large profit if he wanted to be sold, that there is no doubt.

Lindgren is a 6.8 rider whos dropped 2 points off his average this season, having dropped 2 points off his averages a few season before this one. Why would anyone pay big money for a rider who 5 years ago was a 10.5 rider but it now a 6.8 rider? In 2 years time he'll be lucky to get 5 at his current rate of regression!

[stevebrum]

Lindgren is a 6.8 rider whos dropped 2 points off his average this season, having dropped 2 points off his averages a few season before this one. Why would anyone pay big money for a rider who 5 years ago was a 10.5 rider but it now a 6.8 rider? In 2 years time he'll be lucky to get 5 at his current rate of regression!

Ditto Woffinden, using the same logic.

Using that same logic Andersen will be a reserve !

Edited July 27, 2015 by stevebrum

[T.N.T.]

Andreas Jonsson 9.66 (given 9.03) down to 7.56

 

 

I think we all agree Freddie isn't the rider he was 5 years ago but he is still quality and I am sure along with Andersen and Bjerre he will be a bargain next season

[SCB]

Ditto Woffinden, using the same logic.

Using that same logic Andersen will be a reserve !

Ah but Woffy is about to become World Champion, so he's sorted himself out

 

Andreas Jonsson 9.66 (given 9.03) down to 7.56

 

 

I think we all agree Freddie isn't the rider he was 5 years ago but he is still quality and I am sure along with Andersen and Bjerre he will be a bargain next season

AJ proves the point. A has been. Gone from one of the top guys in Poland, Sweden and GB about 5 years ago (as in 9+ average in all 3) to now a 4.5 rider in Poland, doing well to get 7.5 over here. He's only going one way and it's not up!

[stevebrum]

Ah but Woffy is about to become World Champion, so he's sorted himself out

 

 

AJ proves the point. A has been. Gone from one of the top guys in Poland, Sweden and GB about 5 years ago (as in 9+ average in all 3) to now a 4.5 rider in Poland, doing well to get 7.5 over here. He's only going one way and it's not up!

Think the format is hitting all the top guys hard, who knows if Woffy would have done any better thus year here, it's a huge assumption.

Freddie remains a rider any club would pay good money for.

Only really Janowski has bucked the trend in improving averages (actual not rolling) so it's not a true example to say Freddie is dropping season on season as a reason why he wouldn't command a large transfer fee if he became available.

That said his form has been at best indifferent this season.

[FAST GATER]

Can't see any riders having a10.5 average( FL 5Yrs ago) unless they can borrow Tai bike ,joking aside this format means that any rider over 8 pts is doing well particularly riding at a h/leader slot.I believe that we have to accept riders averages to ebb and flow because of this.Freddie is still young and will come back again look at Holders league form against his scores in the GP's ,PK now has the world on his back yet 2 months ago he was walking on water.Yes he was at second string and some of the rides were easier but when he score 20 out 21 at Coventry he nust have met and beaten their top riders and where are they ijn the league now.I keep saying the element of error for riders now is tiny and I don't think you can use their form of a few years ago ( before the present format) against their scoring ability this season ,apples and oranges to me .

Edited July 27, 2015 by FAST GATER