stevebrum Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Depends which Freddie Lindgren turns up Ditto Zagar, ditto Hans, ditto Bjerre, ditto Holder as well so far this season! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) So Wolverhampton have chosen Kyle Howarth. The guy who in his past 5 meetings at Kings Lynn, riding as a second string has scored 3,2,1,4 & 2. Now he will be riding as a heat leader, so no cheap points against fast track reserves! Just when I think the management of the team can't get any worse. RR would see Lindgren, Karlsson, Wells and Thorssell able to take rides. All of them are better than Howarth. Absolutely awful decision. Edited May 11, 2015 by BWitcher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 So Wolverhampton have chosen Kyle Howarth. The guy who in his past 5 meetings at Kings Lynn, riding as a second string has scored 3,2,1,4 & 2. Now he will be riding as a heat leader, so no cheap points against fast track reserves! Just when I think the management of the team can't get any worse. RR would see Lindgren, Karlsson, Wells and Thorssell able to take rides. All of them are better than Howarth. Absolutely awful decision. King's Lynn is usually Howarth's worst track. Maybe they asked other riders but not available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 You'd probably get the normal excuse from management they don't want to do rr incase of further injuries which is a load of bollocks as if you went in with that attitude you may aswell not bother. Awful move considering how rr would make you stronger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 As R/R would a heat leader it really is a crazy decision to bring Howarth in. Even with an injury during the meeting there would be enough cover. Strange one. I can understand it if it was for a rider 5th in the averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted May 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 So Wolverhampton have chosen Kyle Howarth. The guy who in his past 5 meetings at Kings Lynn, riding as a second string has scored 3,2,1,4 & 2. Now he will be riding as a heat leader, so no cheap points against fast track reserves! Just when I think the management of the team can't get any worse. RR would see Lindgren, Karlsson, Wells and Thorssell able to take rides. All of them are better than Howarth. Absolutely awful decision. More proof, as if it was needed, that it wasn't just changes to the rider roster that were needed in the winter. By the looks of them scores, Blackbird will be busy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 You'd probably get the normal excuse from management they don't want to do rr incase of further injuries which is a load of bollocks as if you went in with that attitude you may aswell not bother. Awful move considering how rr would make you stronger Adams has stated many times that he prefers to use a guest when ever he can.He maintains it puts to much pressure on the rest of the side taking an extra ride. Of course it is totally bollock$ and un-founded.But thats the way he is,hes always right and everyone else is always wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Let's face it, one ride for Lindgren and one ride for Karlsson is stronger than 4 rides for Howarth, let alone throwing in a ride for Wells and Thorssell too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 So Wolverhampton have chosen Kyle Howarth. The guy who in his past 5 meetings at Kings Lynn, riding as a second string has scored 3,2,1,4 & 2. Now he will be riding as a heat leader, so no cheap points against fast track reserves! Just when I think the management of the team can't get any worse. RR would see Lindgren, Karlsson, Wells and Thorssell able to take rides. All of them are better than Howarth. Absolutely awful decision. It's not just a Wolves problem, lots of teams (including the Aces) are using inferior guests instead of RR. And then using both reserves for four heats, rather than the stronger reserve for five rides. (i can understand if the result is already determined, but not in tight matches) In the "real world" you wouldnt last long in a management role if you consistently made such poor decisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 It's not just a Wolves problem, lots of teams (including the Aces) are using inferior guests instead of RR. And then using both reserves for four heats, rather than the stronger reserve for five rides. (i can understand if the result is already determined, but not in tight matches) In the "real world" you wouldnt last long in a management role if you consistently made such poor decisions Havvy/Coventry are not great at this either. They have got lucky a couple of times with guests but are still tactically very naive and have not used riders in the best way possible (for riders read Garrity) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 It's not just a Wolves problem, lots of teams (including the Aces) are using inferior guests instead of RR. And then using both reserves for four heats, rather than the stronger reserve for five rides. (i can understand if the result is already determined, but not in tight matches) In the "real world" you wouldnt last long in a management role if you consistently made such poor decisions With so many riders getting injured during meetings and the IR/R rule coming into use - it makes some sense to start with a guest rather than AR/R!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 With so many riders getting injured during meetings and the IR/R rule coming into use - it makes some sense to start with a guest rather than AR/R!! But R/R for Howarth would probably be looking at 6 or 7. Howarth riding you're looking at 0 or 1. Reserves rather than IRR couldn't really do any worse. Whats you have said there is you'll accept 0 or 1 in case you need to use IRR. It's a perverse logic from you and some team managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 With so many riders getting injured during meetings and the IR/R rule coming into use - it makes some sense to start with a guest rather than AR/R!! Not when the guest is significantly weaker than the option to use RR. If it's a close call then of course, go with the guest. This decision however is insanity. You are basically choosing to replace Lindgren, PK, Wells and Thorssell in a ride each with Howarth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 In this case an injury would mean more rides for blackbird, who is better than howarth. As scb and bwitcher point out its a terrible decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Lindgren 2, PK 2, Wells 1, Blackbird 0. That's a worst case scenario, that's 5, I bet Howarth wont score 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Not when the guest is significantly weaker than the option to use RR. If it's a close call then of course, go with the guest. This decision however is insanity. You are basically choosing to replace Lindgren, PK, Wells and Thorssell in a ride each with Howarth. I don't disagree with your argument about the choice of guest on this occasion - merely emphasising the probable reasons why team managers prefer the right guest over r/r! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Utter madness from a man who has been in speedway 30+ years !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Polish media are reporting that Musielak is having surgery today and will be out for about 4 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 16 point Lynn Victory Struggling to be there for 8 so should only miss the parade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 This decision is not only letting down the travelling Wolves fans (yes there will be a few) but the home fans as well who are losing out on better quality heats ( and no disrespect is meant to Howarth, not his fault to be asked for a guest booking) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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