T.N.T. Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I must admit to finding a bit of humour in the articles by Tai saying that #1 riders should job share in 2015 as his average next season will be so low it is unlikely he will be the top averaging rider as Piotr Pawlicki is averaging a point higher and should he return, Fredrik Lindgren's average is nearly two points higher So maybe the perfect solution ..... not saying it will be but just a comment ...... Freddie and Greg share the #1 position and then Tai and Piotr share the #5 position. .... Add to that Jacob Thorssell, Oliver Bernzton and A.N.Other plus two reserves both doubling up ...... bit like a patchwork quilt really !!! Under the system I have been doing, with a pick of Four Star riders, Tai could be picked for half the meetings so it cuts down on his work load here while Freddie could do the other half and Pawlicki do half with PK doing the other half So the team/squad would be .... Piotr Pawlicki or Fredrik Lindgren Tai Woffinden or Peter Karlsson Jacob Thorssell Ricky Wells Oliver Bernzton Nicolai Klindt Ashley Morris / Tom Perry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish keeper Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Some thing would have to be done on the cost front as many clubs can't afford to pay for one number 1 never mind 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I must admit to finding a bit of humour in the articles by Tai saying that #1 riders should job share in 2015 as his average next season will be so low it is unlikely he will be the top averaging rider as Piotr Pawlicki is averaging a point higher and should he return, Fredrik Lindgren's average is nearly two points higher So maybe the perfect solution ..... not saying it will be but just a comment ...... Freddie and Greg share the #1 position and then Tai and Piotr share the #5 position. .... Add to that Jacob Thorssell, Oliver Bernzton and A.N.Other plus two reserves both doubling up ...... bit like a patchwork quilt really !!! Under the system I have been doing, with a pick of Four Star riders, Tai could be picked for half the meetings so it cuts down on his work load here while Freddie could do the other half and Pawlicki do half with PK doing the other half So the team/squad would be .... Piotr Pawlicki or Fredrik Lindgren Tai Woffinden or Peter Karlsson Jacob Thorssell Ricky Wells Oliver Bernzton Nicolai Klindt Ashley Morris / Tom Perry Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr* Nicolai Klindt. Think some Wolves fans(including some on here)would rather have their teeth pulled out than seeing him in a Wolves jacket again. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) I must admit to finding a bit of humour in the articles by Tai saying that #1 riders should job share in 2015 as his average next season will be so low it is unlikely he will be the top averaging rider as Piotr Pawlicki is averaging a point higher and should he return, Fredrik Lindgren's average is nearly two points higher So maybe the perfect solution ..... not saying it will be but just a comment ...... Freddie and Greg share the #1 position and then Tai and Piotr share the #5 position. .... Add to that Jacob Thorssell, Oliver Bernzton and A.N.Other plus two reserves both doubling up ...... bit like a patchwork quilt really !!! Under the system I have been doing, with a pick of Four Star riders, Tai could be picked for half the meetings so it cuts down on his work load here while Freddie could do the other half and Pawlicki do half with PK doing the other half So the team/squad would be .... Piotr Pawlicki or Fredrik Lindgren Tai Woffinden or Peter Karlsson Jacob Thorssell Ricky Wells Oliver Bernzton Nicolai Klindt Ashley Morris / Tom Perry If Woffinden's average goes much lower he'll be #1 in your Wolves B team Edited August 22, 2014 by Wolfsbane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr* Nicolai Klindt. Think some Wolves fans(including some on here)would rather have their teeth pulled out than seeing him in a Wolves jacket again. I would have happily seen him in a Wolves jacket this season on his low average. However his visits this season have proved one thing --- he STILL cant ride his parent club. Sad to say, its time to move on as far as Nic goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Hopefully this little saga can be forgotten now, as Pawlicki not being around on Monday almost certainly resulted in a drop in the crowd - I know people on Monday who didn't realise until they were inside that he was missing, and that wouldn't have bothered if they'd known. Although I guess as we were unbeaten from his rides then it was irelevant towards the match itself, its not acceptable when the home team can't track a full strength team. Most of you will guess that I'm not a Piotr Pawlicki fan, I never have been and nothing about his time at Wolves has changed my mind. However, I will retract the remark I made on Monday about "utterly detesting" him. I do detest the fact that a rider who signed for us has missed several meetings and weakened a side that has struggled for various reasons anyway, but obviously I don't detest him personally, as I don't even know the guy, so I'm happy to withdraw that. "Nothing about his time at Wolves" has changed your mind. You have issues, clearly. Pawlicki up until the last 2 meetings that he missed has been utterly sensational for the club and one of the most exciting riders we have had in some time. I guess you don't like naturally talented exciting racers who can pass. Each to their own. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 If they allow or go with letting teams have riders job share, I can see it being most likely that Tai would share with Pawlicki. The latest "illness" to Pawlicki is something that has been seen before and if it is as most expect it being Leszno putting the pressure on as they get towards the play offs then you can't really blame the rider as they are often left with no option as not doing what you are told over there could result in having your licence suspended meaning they cant ride anywhere at all. Piotr has been by far the best rider in the Wolves team this season and hopefully with just four meetings left he can finish the season on a high. At just 19 years of age, he has possibly been the best teenager at Monmore since Hans Nielsen and looks set to be World U21 Champion this season ...... and possibly next season too !! As for Freddie in 2015, well as he sits in joint 8th in the Series, he has every chance of qualifying next season and is only 23 points behind third placed Nicki Pedersen who may be sidelined for a few rounds and while I can't see him finishing that high, one big score in the next round could see Freddie close to securing a top 8 finish as Hampel and Holder both show inconsistant form. If he is back in the GP's next season, I can't see him being back in Britain but if he does miss out and Sweden go with THJ instead, then a return could be on the cards ...... had qualifying been the top 10 keep their GP status, Freddie would have qualified in 5 of the last 7 series not including this season and the two others he finished 11th both times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 If they allow or go with letting teams have riders job share, I can see it being most likely that Tai would share with Pawlicki. Would be a total waste of time as they would both want to miss the same matches as likely to have the same commitments overseas. That is the main problem I see with any job share between top riders. Wolfie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Would be a total waste of time as they would both want to miss the same matches as likely to have the same commitments overseas. That is the main problem I see with any job share between top riders. Wolfie Good point! However it may work as TNT suggests. Pawlicki would want to ride in Poland sundays but Woffinden won't be as he'll be having a rest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 If its a job share it would have to be Fred and Tai. I cant see why the averages should come into it and shouldn't complicate the issue. Lets face it if a team can tempt, let say Nicki P and Hancock to job share then why not? Any extra rider currently missing is a huge bonus. Any number 1 average should be set as the highest job share rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 If its a job share it would have to be Fred and Tai. I cant see why the averages should come into it and shouldn't complicate the issue. Lets face it if a team can tempt, let say Nicki P and Hancock to job share then why not? Any extra rider currently missing is a huge bonus. Any number 1 average should be set as the highest job share rider. You contradict yourself in this post. First you say averages shouldn't come in to it and then you say averages are set for the highest rider Why would you job share a rider on a near nine average with a rider just over seven ..... Pawlicki and Woffinden are closer in averages so you would use Pawlicki's average of around 8. The trouble with job sharing is if both riders are unavailable for the same meetings. Having the EL matches on just Mondays would reduce the chance of that happening to almost zero and be much better for the two riders to be available when required with an advance agreement. If the Elite League tries to carry on as it is now, I would expect the Wolves team to be something like Pawlicki, Karlsson, Thorssell, Bernzton, Proctor, Morris and Perry. If it switches to just Mondays in my format then I could see it being more like Thorssell, Wells, Bernzton, Proctor and Morris along with any two from Lindgren, Pawlicki, Woffinden and Klindt (available to replace any from Jacob down to Ty at reserve) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 You contradict yourself in this post. First you say averages shouldn't come in to it and then you say averages are set for the highest rider Why would you job share a rider on a near nine average with a rider just over seven ..... Pawlicki and Woffinden are closer in averages so you would use Pawlicki's average of around 8. The trouble with job sharing is if both riders are unavailable for the same meetings. Having the EL matches on just Mondays would reduce the chance of that happening to almost zero and be much better for the two riders to be available when required with an advance agreement. The point is still the same. As one of the best riders in the World Woffy should be ranked as one of the top riders if we are looking at any kind of job share situation. Gradings would eliminate the need for averages and there is no reason why Woffy and Fred cant be on the same grading. IF we are to keep averages and use job sharing for a number one then i see no reason why if Woffy and Fred job share that the highest average is the one that counts towards the team total. As for the complications of job sharing i don't see why it should be difficult. The riders would agree to the dates they can make prior to the season starting. And that forms part of there contract to ride in the EL. I am sure that a compromise can be reached if both riders cant make one date. The fact that top riders wanted less meetings to race here then it is a perfect situation and could be easily solvable. It doesn't have to be complicated if the contracts are set for amount of meetings or meetings to take part in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 shared number ones wont work it wont cure the problem that the top riders have little respect / carnt be that bothered with the elite league riders will just use it / as and when a meeting fits in with there schedule not the clubs if one of them gets injured , then you have one other rider to choose from to ride / whereas now clubs have the whole league to choose a guest from. imo, committed riders are needed , go back to a standard 1-7 next season there could be 8 teams in elite , that amounts to 14 home 14 away matches =28 not really that many meetings is it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 If its a job share it would have to be Fred and Tai. I cant see why the averages should come into it and shouldn't complicate the issue. Lets face it if a team can tempt, let say Nicki P and Hancock to job share then why not? Any extra rider currently missing is a huge bonus. Any number 1 average should be set as the highest job share rider. You contradict yourself in this post. First you say averages shouldn't come in to it and then you say averages are set for the highest rider Why would you job share a rider on a near nine average with a rider just over seven ..... Pawlicki and Woffinden are closer in averages so you would use Pawlicki's average of around 8. The trouble with job sharing is if both riders are unavailable for the same meetings. Having the EL matches on just Mondays would reduce the chance of that happening to almost zero and be much better for the two riders to be available when required with an advance agreement. If the Elite League tries to carry on as it is now, I would expect the Wolves team to be something like Pawlicki, Karlsson, Thorssell, Bernzton, Proctor, Morris and Perry. If it switches to just Mondays in my format then I could see it being more like Thorssell, Wells, Bernzton, Proctor and Morris along with any two from Lindgren, Pawlicki, Woffinden and Klindt (available to replace any from Jacob down to Ty at reserve) The point is still the same. As one of the best riders in the World Woffy should be ranked as one of the top riders if we are looking at any kind of job share situation. Gradings would eliminate the need for averages and there is no reason why Woffy and Fred cant be on the same grading. IF we are to keep averages and use job sharing for a number one then i see no reason why if Woffy and Fred job share that the highest average is the one that counts towards the team total. As for the complications of job sharing i don't see why it should be difficult. The riders would agree to the dates they can make prior to the season starting. And that forms part of there contract to ride in the EL. I am sure that a compromise can be reached if both riders cant make one date. The fact that top riders wanted less meetings to race here then it is a perfect situation and could be easily solvable. It doesn't have to be complicated if the contracts are set for amount of meetings or meetings to take part in. Whatever they decide just don't let Phil Morris anywhere near it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 imo, committed riders are needed , go back to a standard 1-7 next season there could be 8 teams in elite , that amounts to 14 home 14 away matches =28 not really that many meetings is it.... Poland has 8 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 next season there could be 8 teams in elite , that amounts to 14 home 14 away matches =28 not really that many meetings is it....The trouble is that having different nights for different tracks means more flights, more stuck in airports and that is something that hinders some top riders being here as it simply gets tiring and they want one race night like Poland and SwedenYes Poland have 8 teams but they have one set night and only meet each other once so just 14 meetings If you had gradings, Freddie Lindgren would have to be a Grade 1 rider but even though he is the world champion (or former world champion) Tai Woffinden would have to be a Grade 2 rider due to his average being just over 7 a meeting. So for team nuilding you would have another Grade 2 rider sharing the position like Piotr Pawlicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) Pretty much off topic I know but............ The 2nd match in the Spoons double header last night was abandoned after 14 heats 'due to curfew'. After all these years I didn't know there was a curfew at Monmore? Who are they likely to disturb? The prossies in East Park? Puzzled. Edited August 27, 2014 by Wolfsbane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) Pretty much off topic I know but............ The 2nd match in the Spoons double header last night was abandoned after 14 heats 'due to curfew'. After all these years I didn't know there was a curfew at Monmore? Who are they likely to disturb? The prossies in East Park? Puzzled. They certainly have gone on till gone past 10.30 (British Finals) and i think last year or this was 10.45?? I went last night after training at East Park and had to get kids home by 10.30. They had done Heat 7 just after 10. The first meeting had tons on recalls and spills. But only a couple in the 2nd match. Edited August 27, 2014 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Pretty much off topic I know but............ The 2nd match in the Spoons double header last night was abandoned after 14 heats 'due to curfew'. After all these years I didn't know there was a curfew at Monmore? Who are they likely to disturb? The prossies in East Park? Puzzled. Pity they didnt impose a 8 o,clock curfew in some of the Wolves matches . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) Pity they didnt impose a 8 o,clock curfew in some of the Wolves matches . Or better still Woffinden's mum impose at 7.30 curfew on Monday nights Edited August 27, 2014 by Wolfsbane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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