Wolfsbane Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Who is Tom ? Looking at the format in more detail. Freddie needs to be at #3 preferably at home as the #1 and #5 dont have their second ride until heat 7 which is quite a wait for the #1 after appearing in the opening heat. This may be best for Tobiasz to come straight in at the #1 position The trouble is do you want to go into heat 13 with Jacob and Tobiasz ? ..... Why not as you will in other heats and having Freddie in heat 14 (with PK) could be a strong finish in the last few heats and hopefully get a few points away from home. On further studying of the format, I would go with 1 - Tobiasz or Jacob 3 - Freddie or Tobiasz 5 - Jacob or Freddie Oops, my bad, I've got Gollob on the brain Tobiasz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Riding at number 5 away may be best for a team using one main rider like Wolves are doing with Lindgren as the rides are well spaced out and you would need him in heat 13. It looks like Jacob would be best at number 1 if Lindgren was used elsewhere and maybe PK at number 2 as they would be partners twice. Can't see it being anything other than Fredrik Lindgren at number one though as Pete Adams has always said how important it is to get off to a winning start but what would that do if the next five heats are without him riding agsin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Wolves v Coventry EXAMPLE The #5 especially away looks to have a tough night !! Meanwhile Blackbird and Garrity don't get to meet anything stronger than a second string twice and face each other three times and can't even be rewarded with a Heat 15 ride even if the meeting has been won HEAT 1 1c-d ........ LINDGREN 2a-b........Wells 1d-c........ANDERSEN 2b–a........ Robson HEAT 2 6b–a........ Blackbird 7d-c........ Bates 6a-b........ Garrity 7c–d........ Sarjeant HEAT 3 3c-d........ MUSELIAK 5a-b........ THORSSELL 3d-c........ KING 5b–a........ HARRIS HEAT 4 4d-c........ Karlsson 7b–a........ Bates 4c-d........ Bridger 7a–b........ Sarjeant HEAT 5 2b–a........ Wells 6d-c........ Blackbird 2a-b........ Robson 6c–d........ Garrity HEAT 6 3a-b........ MUSELIAK 4c-d........ Karlsson 1b–a........ ANDERSEN 5d–c........ HARRIS HEAT 7 1a-b........ LINDGREN 5c-d........ THORSSELL 3b–a........ KING 4d–c........ Bridger HEAT 8 4a-b........ Karlsson 7c-d........ Bates 2d-c........ Robson 6b–a........ Garrity HEAT 9 2c-d........ Wells 6a-b........ Blackbird 4b–a........ Bridger 7d–c........ Sarjeant HEAT 10 3b–a........ MUSELIAK 5d-c........ THORSSELL 1a-b........ ANDERSEN 2c–d........ Robson HEAT 11 1b–a........ LINDGREN 2d-c........ Wells 3a-b........ KING 5c–d........ HARRIS HEAT 12 6c-d........ Blackbird 7a-b........ Bates 6d-c........ Garrity 7b–a........Sarjeant HEAT 13 1d-c........ LINDGREN 5b–a........ THORSSELL 1c-d........ ANDERSEN 5a-b........ HARRIS HEAT 14 3d-c........ MUSELIAK 4b–a........ Karlsson 3c-d........ KING 4a–b........ Bridger HEAT 15 Top Scorer’s Heat: see SR 15.14 (NB. not #6 or #7) Looking at the two teams it doesn't fill you with much optimism regardless of the riding order. Just glad they don't ride on paper . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Thought highest sveraged rider had to be at one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Thought highest sveraged rider had to be at one?? Heat leaders at 1, 3 & 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Thought highest sveraged rider had to be at one?? Top three rider (Freddie, Tobiasz and Jacob) are to be placed in any order at 1,3 and 5 The second strings (PK and Ricky) are to be placed at any order at 2 or 4 HOME #1 appears in heats 1 - 7 - 11 - 13 #3 appears in heats 3 - 6 - 10 - 14 #5 appears in heats 3 - 7 - 10 - 13 The three heat leaders face the same opposition through the meeting and the two second strings also face the same opposition, so where they line up doesn't really matter apart from when they appear but #1 and #3 don't appear together. Therefore it could be better for Tobiasz and Jacob to be at 1 and 3 and Freddie at #5. So putting Freddie at #5 means all you have to do is decide who rides with him in heats 3 and 10 and who rides with him in heats 7 and 13. However as #1 and #3 has to appear alongside a second string, would you want Freddie to be in those heats ? ...... however that then means that Tobiasz or Jacob at #5 who only ever appears alongside a fellow heat leader AWAY #1 appears in heats 1 - 6 - 10 - 13 #3 appears in heats 3 - 7 - 11 - 14 #5 appears in heats 3 - 6 - 11 - 13 So you have to decide which heat leader you only want to appear alongside a fellow heat leader in all four programmed rides ? Think the second strings are pretty obvious as you would like to have PK in heat 14 (with a heat leader) rather than Ricky 1 = 2 = Ricky Wells 5.88 3 = 4 = Peter Karlsson 6.12 5 = 6 = Lewis Blackbird 7 = Josh Bates NOTE; Reserves can be in any order and both appear with the same team mates and opposition so no difference being at 6 or 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Recent history would seem to suggest PK would be better off at #2. The team would be better off with him at #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Recent history would seem to suggest PK would be better off at #2. The team would be better off with him at #4. #2 and #4 ride against the same riders so there is no difference there. There are two differences though. The heats they go out in, like who do you want in heat 14 and who do you want them to pair up with. #2 has two rides with the #6 and two rides with the #1 #4 has two rides with the #7 and two rides with the #3 Given that PK seems better at #4, it would suggest he is better off with #7 Josh Bates and #3 ? That would then put Ricky at #2 with two rides alongside #6 Lewis Blackbird and two rides with #1 ? Although it is likely thy will go with Freddie at #1 I would be tempted to go with Tobiasz at #1 and Jacob at #3 leaving Freddie at #5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 #2 and #4 ride against the same riders so there is no difference there. There are two differences though. The heats they go out in, like who do you want in heat 14 and who do you want them to pair up with. #2 has two rides with the #6 and two rides with the #1 #4 has two rides with the #7 and two rides with the #3 Given that PK seems better at #4, it would suggest he is better off with #7 Josh Bates and #3 ? That would then put Ricky at #2 with two rides alongside #6 Lewis Blackbird and two rides with #1 ? Although it is likely thy will go with Freddie at #1 I would be tempted to go with Tobiasz at #1 and Jacob at #3 leaving Freddie at #5 The difference is PK's recent performances for Wolves & Lakeside as I recall is that the deeper into a meeting he goes the points return diminishes. On that evidence #2 would be best for him, but we are depending on him bossing heat 14, which IMO is, on that evidence, wishful thinking. The problem is that they are hoping that he'll be the heat leader he used to be in order to make up for weaknesses in the team building elsewhere eg Musielak chucked in at the deep end. That being said I hope the Old Boy proves me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 PK was looked at as better in the earlier heats which is true in a way as he never once won his final ride in an EL match last season but won 12 of his first rides. However last season as a heat leader for a large part of it, he was often in three of the last five heats but at #4 he wouldn't be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 PK was looked at as better in the earlier heats which is true in a way as he never once won his final ride in an EL match last season but won 12 of his first rides. However last season as a heat leader for a large part of it, he was often in three of the last five heats but at #4 he wouldn't be could that be down to fitness and coming back from a big injury ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Let's say Freddie goes at #1 and PK at #2 .... or Freddie at #3 and PK at #4 HEAT 1 1c-d ...... LINDGREN - 2a-b....... Karlsson1d-c........ANDERSEN === ZAGAR ==== IVERSEN ==== JONSSON ==== Holder2b–a........ Robson === = Fricke ==== Porsing ======= Kennett ===== 4.50 HEAT 11 1b–a........ LINDGREN - 2d-c........ Karlsson3a-b........ KING ===== Stead ===== Schlein ===== Lawson === Watt5c–d........ HARRIS ==== Nicholls ===== Bjerre ==== Bech ==== Janowski HEAT 6 3a-b........ LINDGREN - 4c-d........ Karlsson1b–a........ ANDERSEN == Zagar ===== Iversen ==== Jonsson === Holder5d–c........ HARRIS ==== Nicholls ==== Bjerre ==== Bech ===== JanowskiHEAT 14 3d-c........ LINDGREN - 4b–a........ Karlsson3c-d........ KING ===== Stead ===== Schlein ==== Lawson ==== Watt4a–b........ Bridger === Cook ====== Lambert === Nilsson ==== North Some pretty tough heats there and that is going with what many think possibly is our strongest pairing ? To me the format really suits a team built around a strong top four with a low average rider at #2. You can possibly carry one rider but hope they can hold their own and this season all teams have two very good reserves that can score points. Belle Vue in Zagar and Nicholls backed by Stead and Cook look formidable in this format and their bonus will be Max Fricke who many think could be challenging for a heat leader berth in his first full season. Coventry are built a bit like Belle Vue with Andersen / Harris backed by King / Bridger, two riders that have all ridden as a #1. Robbo may not be Fricke but can still score points. Those two look the strongest but Poole with Holder and possibly Janowski are very strong and in Watt and North they have two solid scorers. Who their last rider is remains to be seen but we do know they have possibly the best reserve pairing in Newman and Starke so in my opinion those three teams are looking the best eqipped using this format. Hopefully Wolves can rise to the occasion and all get in the points and if all seven can be solid, it is hard to beat a team that hardly has any last places in races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish keeper Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I think Jacob will step up this season as in crested his average every season so far just like Freddie and Pk did when they first joined Wolves nice and steady then it all came together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 could that be down to fitness and coming back from a big injury ? That was how I saw it and an issue with silencers we should now find out if he is back to his old form or has time caught up with him ,still think he will do a great job even as a second string if that's the case . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Wolves will be holding their annual pre season talk in on Tuesday 17th March at The Cleveland Arms with the full 1-7 present. Good night at The Cleveland Arms tonight in an Evening with Sam and Ronnie with guests Graham Jones, Wayne Carter, Pete Adams and Chris Van Straaten with many a light hearted and humourus comments but also some discussions on the old days and a bit on the present day. One thing that was revealed was they are looking at bringing back Mr Wolf ..... may not be the same one but a much missed character at Monmore Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 It appears that once the 2015 season starts, the rolling averages will change to the last 20 meetings instead of 28. For some riders it would seem they are likely to see their averages go up, like Dakota North in his last 20 meetings averaged 7.46 where as Chris Harris was closer to 9 than his 7.46. Nicolai Klindt also started badly but finished well on 5.16 over 28 so over 20 he is likely to be over 6 ...... wonder what changes will be made to those that have inflated averages ? Wolves riders last 20 Elite League meetings at present are .... Fredrik Lindgren 99 rides 215+22 points = 8.69 Peter Karlsson 98 rides 149+19 points = 6.08 Jacob Thorssell 83 rides 124+7 points = 5.96 Ricky Wells 86 rides 123+10 points = 5.86 Tai Woffinden 93 rides 162+20 points = 6.97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Tais average wont change TNT. And anyway, hes not riding over here so it wont matter anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 That makes tai an even more amazing option for teams looking to strengthen later in the season - loan appearances for poole approaching play off time adsuming wolves out of play off contention? Norths average goes up, allowing him to be replaced by kk, who is not used in heat 15 allow ing him to increase average sufficiently to be replaced by darcy end of june. meantime watt as 2nd string increases his average above 6.97 allowing tai to come in at play off time (in interests of speedway!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Plus I think your calculator is wrong TNT I make Woffy 7.28 and Thorsell 6.22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Plus I think your calculator is wrong TNT I make Woffy 7.28 and Thorsell 6.22 Or yours could be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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