superguest Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) If a private company are now doing it, how much did the St Johns ask for?? http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/02/16/cutting-wolves-speedways-first-aid-despicable/ Interesting to see this being published. We usually dont get to hear the ins and outs. Glad a replacement has been found. Edited February 16, 2015 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Interesting to see this being published. We usually dont get to hear the ins and outs. Glad a replacement has been found. That is a ruddy good point. They don't usually put stuff in the public domain even though to do so would put them in a good light on occasion. CVS playing the 'poor me' card? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I imagine this could have possible ramifications for all clubs using St Johns?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I imagine this could have possible ramifications for all clubs using St Johns?! Hasn't it already been the case for a few clubs previously? Berwick had problems 5 or 6 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Hasn't it already been the case for a few clubs previously? Berwick had problems 5 or 6 years ago. Yes but wasn't that more about them being in the a*$end of nowhere??! Edited February 17, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedball Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Really can't see what CVS gains by going public with this. The two comments on the article are hardly complimentary and to be honest I agree with them. He's running a commercial operation, not a church fete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Could not agree more he is an exceptional rider to be competing in the EL at his age on equal terms ,I dont think we will see the like of him and Hancock ever again but I believe he will up average to where it should be .He wants race here( more than can be said for most the top riders of our sport) and has shown his loyalty to British s/way for many years so he at least deserves a chance to prove the doubters wrong which I am convinced he will . I keep reading people saying we won't see the likes of PK and Hancock again, riding till their age... frankly I don't understand it. Riders are fitter now and know how to look after themselves better (at least some do) and I think its likely we will see more in the future. Agree with the rest of your post though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Really can't see what CVS gains by going public with this. The two comments on the article are hardly complimentary and to be honest I agree with them. He's running a commercial operation, not a church fete. While I agree to some extent, it's cheeky of St Johns for them to ask for money for volunteers. Now if the issue was the volunteers didn't want to do ti so they had to pay people then fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Based on the info available I'm with CVS on this one Nurse, nurse, where are my meds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 While I agree to some extent, it's cheeky of St Johns for them to ask for money for volunteers. Now if the issue was the volunteers didn't want to do ti so they had to pay people then fair enough.According to the article it's to cover the cost of employing staff from elsewhere as they don't have enough driver cover.Take from the article: "We realised before confirming the booking that we didnt have enough volunteer ambulance drivers in Wolverhampton to fulfil the needs of this event, and would have to employ staff." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 While I agree to some extent, it's cheeky of St Johns for them to ask for money for volunteers. Now if the issue was the volunteers didn't want to do ti so they had to pay people then fair enough. Surely the only thing that really matters is what is the total bill per match . A number of clubs have been slowly moving over to private medical companies over the last few years. There must be a reason for it and money is usually at the bottom of these things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 So. # CVS thought he was getting the same deal as the last 30 years. # St Johns, for whatever reason, hadn't got the volunteer drivers they've had previously so couldn't provide the cover at the same price. CVS couldn't be ar$ed to contact the St Johns to confirm the cover before it got so close to the start of the season that cancellation became 'despicable'. St Johns 'didn't realise'. 6 of one and half a doz of the other. Neither could run a pee up as far as this matter's concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 According to the article it's to cover the cost of employing staff from elsewhere as they don't have enough driver cover. Take from the article: "We realised before confirming the booking that we didnt have enough volunteer ambulance drivers in Wolverhampton to fulfil the needs of this event, and would have to employ staff." But the same article also says, "She said they could provide six first-aiders at a cost of £264 per event, but for this year only they would give us a 40 per cent discount," he said. “It’s a commercial world. If they can get more money for the ambulances, then I have no problem in them sourcing the best income they can. But it doesn’t seem right to charge for volunteers. In the public’s eyes, it is a charitable organisation" I'd agree with that bit. I guess we'll never fully know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I imagine this could have possible ramifications for all clubs using St Johns?! St Johns seem to have been having various troubles in recent years. In Warwick, the local St Johns volunteers were so cheesed off with the way it was being run that they broke away and set up their own volunteer ambulance service, dropping the St Johns name. I believe they now provide the cover at Brandon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 According to the article it's to cover the cost of employing staff from elsewhere as they don't have enough driver cover. Take from the article: "We realised before confirming the booking that we didnt have enough volunteer ambulance drivers in Wolverhampton to fulfil the needs of this event, and would have to employ staff." No, not at all. Wolves speedway had previously paid for 2 ambulances/drivers to be on duty on match nights. There was also a group of volunteers, minimum of 6, sometimes/often more. St Johns then contacted Wolves speedway to state that the ambulance service was no longer available... but they would continue to provide the volunteers at the cost of £264.. which apparently is discounted by 40%. So. # CVS thought he was getting the same deal as the last 30 years. # St Johns, for whatever reason, hadn't got the volunteer drivers they've had previously so couldn't provide the cover at the same price. CVS couldn't be ar$ed to contact the St Johns to confirm the cover before it got so close to the start of the season that cancellation became 'despicable'. St Johns 'didn't realise'. 6 of one and half a doz of the other. Neither could run a pee up as far as this matter's concerned. Tbf to CVS, he'd had the meeting earlier and all was agreed, so why would he need to contact them again to confirm? Basically there's somebody new in charge and trying to put their own stamp on things... likely will all go ** up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Surely the only thing that really matters is what is the total bill per match . A number of clubs have been slowly moving over to private medical companies over the last few years. There must be a reason for it and money is usually at the bottom of these things. Certainly is. We used St John's for years since we opened in 1997. Good relationship, and they used our meetings to train new staff in preparation for their other big events. You couldn't get moved at the meetings for personnel, which was way above any minimum requirement that we paid for. There seemed to be a change in the national organisation about 4 years ago, when they started to demand certain things such as they must also supply the Doctor/Paramedic, along with a massive increase in their rates. We discussed it with them, but they wanted the whole show and at their rates. In view of the fact that we have always hired two ambulances, and we have 3 Doctors who are speedway fans, at our meetings, their proposals were just not acceptable, so we went for a local private organisation who supply the NHS. Together we have reviewed the level of cover, and have a good relationship with their senior personnel. Together with their staff, our Doctors and Riders trained them is such cases such as removing a helmet without damaging the patient after a crash. They are not cheap, but certainly cheaper that the 'double your money' demands we had from St Johns. They are very much run as a National organisation now, hence their inroads into national advertising and extensive training and services, which they now offer industry. Edited February 17, 2015 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 I keep reading people saying we won't see the likes of PK and Hancock again, riding till their age... frankly I don't understand it. Riders are fitter now and know how to look after themselves better (at least some do) and I think its likely we will see more in the future. Agree with the rest of your post though! You are correct in that riders are far fitter and look after themselves better than ever today but to have a w/champ in his mid 40's ( showing no signs of slowing down or retiring any time soon)and another riding at the top of the british league week in week out and two other other leagues at the same time .They seems a bit special to me but only time will tell Jimmy Mac said he retired because the thought of hurtling into the first corner( with men half his age) started to frighten him not because of injury merely the thought of getting injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Wolves v Coventry EXAMPLE The #5 especially away looks to have a tough night !! Meanwhile Blackbird and Garrity don't get to meet anything stronger than a second string twice and face each other three times and can't even be rewarded with a Heat 15 ride even if the meeting has been won HEAT 1 1c-d ........ LINDGREN2a-b........Wells1d-c........ANDERSEN2b–a........ RobsonHEAT 26b–a........ Blackbird7d-c........ Bates6a-b........ Garrity7c–d........ SarjeantHEAT 33c-d........ MUSELIAK5a-b........ THORSSELL3d-c........ KING5b–a........ HARRISHEAT 44d-c........ Karlsson7b–a........ Bates4c-d........ Bridger7a–b........ SarjeantHEAT 52b–a........ Wells6d-c........ Blackbird2a-b........ Robson6c–d........ GarrityHEAT 63a-b........ MUSELIAK4c-d........ Karlsson1b–a........ ANDERSEN5d–c........ HARRISHEAT 71a-b........ LINDGREN5c-d........ THORSSELL3b–a........ KING4d–c........ BridgerHEAT 84a-b........ Karlsson7c-d........ Bates2d-c........ Robson6b–a........ GarrityHEAT 92c-d........ Wells6a-b........ Blackbird4b–a........ Bridger7d–c........ SarjeantHEAT 103b–a........ MUSELIAK5d-c........ THORSSELL1a-b........ ANDERSEN2c–d........ RobsonHEAT 111b–a........ LINDGREN2d-c........ Wells3a-b........ KING5c–d........ HARRISHEAT 126c-d........ Blackbird7a-b........ Bates6d-c........ Garrity7b–a........SarjeantHEAT 131d-c........ LINDGREN5b–a........ THORSSELL1c-d........ ANDERSEN5a-b........ HARRISHEAT 143d-c........ MUSELIAK4b–a........ Karlsson3c-d........ KING4a–b........ BridgerHEAT 15Top Scorer’s Heat: see SR 15.14(NB. not #6 or #7) Edited February 18, 2015 by T.N.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted February 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Tom's in for a tough time poor lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Tom's in for a tough time poor lad. Who is Tom ? Looking at the format in more detail. Freddie needs to be at #3 preferably at home as the #1 and #5 dont have their second ride until heat 7 which is quite a wait for the #1 after appearing in the opening heat. This may be best for Tobiasz to come straight in at the #1 position The trouble is do you want to go into heat 13 with Jacob and Tobiasz ? ..... Why not as you will in other heats and having Freddie in heat 14 (with PK) could be a strong finish in the last few heats and hopefully get a few points away from home. On further studying of the format, I would go with 1 - Tobiasz or Jacob 3 - Freddie or Tobiasz 5 - Jacob or Freddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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