kingbee Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 You obviously have no idea what your talking about. Harris average is similar to Kildemand and Batchelor, are they PL riders? Harris is one of very few heat leaders who improved his average last season. Considering the EL clubs are only allowed 2 riders over 7 I'd say he is comfortably a EL heatleader.cant agree he is no where near as good as Freddie or Killderman people keep saying he will be rejuvenated they've been saying that for the past few seasons as for his GP win you can't live on the past for ever .if we don't get a decent number one we will be at the bottom the reserves may save us a bit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 INCOGNITO, on 29 Nov 2014 - 1:12 PM, said: Musielak is in fact much better than Berntzon and has been a prolific scorer at reserve for Leszno for a few years and improving each season while Berntzon has made big strides forward in 2014 and apart from a few meetings in Sweden and the WTC, it could be claimed Oliver is more 5.00 than 6.00 like Musielak. So seeing as he is over 21 now he is out of a reserve berth right?? Berntzon has moved out of the reserve berth in Sweden and held his average and the Swedish league is equally as strong as the Polish league. Clearly plenty rate Musielak which if he signs for Wolves can only be a good thing. For me the jury is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 So seeing as he is over 21 now he is out of a reserve berth right?? Berntzon 2/8/93 Musielak 18/8/93 Only born 16 days apart but Tobiasz has been one of a crowd of Polish youngsters progressing over the last five years and while some have fallen by the wayside as they do, he has moved on and if it wasn't for Poland having the likes of Kasprzak, Hampel, Kolodiej etc etc then I'm sure he would have ridden in the WTC just as Berntzon did as Sweden struggled to get a team together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Berntzon 2/8/93 Musielak 18/8/93 Only born 16 days apart but Tobiasz has been one of a crowd of Polish youngsters progressing over the last five years and while some have fallen by the wayside as they do, he has moved on and if it wasn't for Poland having the likes of Kasprzak, Hampel, Kolodiej etc etc then I'm sure he would have ridden in the WTC just as Berntzon did as Sweden struggled to get a team together. And rides in a reserve berth or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 cant agree he is no where near as good as Freddie or Killderman people keep saying he will be rejuvenated they've been saying that for the past few seasons as for his GP win you can't live on the past for ever .if we don't get a decent number one we will be at the bottom the reserves may save us a bit No one said he was as good as Freddie or Kildemand but the facts are Bombers average is similar to Kildemand and Batchelor. To claim he is 'Rubbish' and a 2nd string at best is absurd. One of only a few heat leader who improved their average shows he improved in the EL last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) And rides in a reserve berth or not? His only experience is at reserve in Poland(which isnt easy as we all know) Not sure if hes ridden in Sweden. But a 6pt average is what hes on so they must think highly of him. Edit hes rode in two meetings in sweden in 2014. Hes not quite a sowka but hes no Pawlicki either. Edited November 29, 2014 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 And rides in a reserve berth or not? They stay at reserve until they reach 21 and after that move into the main body of the team so he will be in Leszno's 1-5 while Piotr Pawlicki stays at reserve http://speedwayresults.com/rider.php?name=Tobiasz&surname=Musielak&type=Polish Ekstraliga&season=2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 His only experience is at reserve in Poland(which isnt easy as we all know) Not sure if hes ridden in Sweden. But a 6pt average is what hes on so they must think highly of him. It isn't easy but they have easier rides than the main body (like they do in Sweden and now EL). See he had 2 matches in Sweden, from the number 2 berth. Scores of 2 and 10. Maybe im warming to him! Not seen it anywhere that it IS an assessed 6 tho , have you? Thought it was all on rumour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Swindon have asked about Tobiasz Musielak already and were told he was a 6.00 rider. All promoters were given a list of foreign riders and the assessed average they would be if signed and most are 5.00 - 6.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Harris is rubbish and we all know it I've got my opinion you have yours I would never choose him any of my British teams You can have an opinion, but for an opinion to have any credence or of any value it needs to be backed up. Yours isn't backed up. Which renders your opinion worthless. There is a child section of the forum, although even children under the age if 10 would make more sense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Would bringing back Piotr Pawlicki be that much of a gamble ? While he was with Wolves he was the entertainer of the team and a crowd favourite and when it was known he was not in the team, the crowd levels were clearly down. Add to that the fact you can use the fact he is World Under 21 Champion and a proven points scorer and he should be a good signing as Wolves clearly need a rider to back up Frederik Lindgren. Yes he let us down in the end by missing meetings but that was due to the pressure from back home in Poland. Leszno were in the play offs and he was a key figure of their team while the meetings he missed for Wolves were meetings that even with some shocks was never going to make us title contenders and were meetings that just needed finishing. With another Leszno rider and good friend in Tobiasz Musielak also set to join the team, this could help to create some stability and he loved riding at Monmore Green so the advantages should out weigh the pit falls. Should anything happen to Frederik or Piotr then we have Tai Woffinden who could be available and keep us with two quality heat leaders. So I ask the question Would you rather see the team completed with Pawlicki and Lasse Bjerre or two dependable second strings like PK and Ricky Wells ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish keeper Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 For me I would go with Pawlicki and Bjerre I like watching both and I think there is more to come from both riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clambo71 Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 I'd go with pawlicki and Bierre. Brings us upto 33.17 if my maths are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Would bringing back Piotr Pawlicki be that much of a gamble ? While he was with Wolves he was the entertainer of the team and a crowd favourite and when it was known he was not in the team, the crowd levels were clearly down. Add to that the fact you can use the fact he is World Under 21 Champion and a proven points scorer and he should be a good signing as Wolves clearly need a rider to back up Frederik Lindgren. Yes he let us down in the end by missing meetings but that was due to the pressure from back home in Poland. Leszno were in the play offs and he was a key figure of their team while the meetings he missed for Wolves were meetings that even with some shocks was never going to make us title contenders and were meetings that just needed finishing. With another Leszno rider and good friend in Tobiasz Musielak also set to join the team, this could help to create some stability and he loved riding at Monmore Green so the advantages should out weigh the pit falls. Should anything happen to Frederik or Piotr then we have Tai Woffinden who could be available and keep us with two quality heat leaders. So I ask the question Would you rather see the team completed with Pawlicki and Lasse Bjerre or two dependable second strings like PK and Ricky Wells ? With Skornicki as Leszno manager now I can't see there being any problems with us due to his ties to the club one would hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Yes but didnt CVS state at the talk-in that hed made a mistake about signing young Poles and that it wouldnt happen again. Hasnt Pawlicki still got one more season left as an under 21 rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Yes but didnt CVS state at the talk-in that hed made a mistake about signing young Poles and that it wouldnt happen again. Hasnt Pawlicki still got one more season left as an under 21 rider. he did but he also said a lot of things like Garrity wanting to ride for us and such. plus who is the alternative for us to backup Freddie in the second heat leader role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 he did but he also said a lot of things like Garrity wanting to ride for us and such. plus who is the alternative for us to backup Freddie in the second heat leader role Dont get me wrong Joe,id love to see Pawlicki back at Monmore,but i think its likely to be 2016 rather that next year. Regards back-up for Freddie,think we might have to wait to see what other teams plans are for next season. I know Rory Schlein is a big favourite with both CVS and Adams,but not sure what Lynn,s plans are.(hes ridden for so many clubs,dont even know who owns his contract). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Dont get me wrong Joe,id love to see Pawlicki back at Monmore,but i think its likely to be 2016 rather that next year. Regards back-up for Freddie,think we might have to wait to see what other teams plans are for next season. I know Rory Schlein is a big favourite with both CVS and Adams,but not sure what Lynn,s plans are.(hes ridden for so many clubs,dont even know who owns his contract). same here I think it's more likely 2016 for PP, but I think CVS and Adams were banking on either Tai coming back this season or signing King. Neither of which has happened. If it is Schlein nothing against him but that is poor, his average is around Thorssell's isn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 same here I think it's more likely 2016 for PP, but I think CVS and Adams were banking on either Tai coming back this season or signing King. Neither of which has happened. If it is Schlein nothing against him but that is poor, his average is around Thorssell's isn't it So if it is Schlein and Musielak,what do we have left points wise for the final place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 So if it is Schlein and Musielak,what do we have left points wise for the final place. 5 something I think. we'll pretty much have 4 riders between 5 and 6.50 and Lindgren as the main body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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