fish keeper Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 If things don't change I can not see woffinden riding in the so called EL next season . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 If things don't change I can not see woffinden riding in the so called EL next season . He said in last weeks Speedway Star he and several others wont be if things don't change. WAKE UP PROMOTERS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I wonder how many of those calling for racing on one/two nights to attract back the GP riders feel sufficiently confident it will increase crowds to cover the cost. Would they remortgage their own homes to do it because that is the sort of risk they are expecting the promoters to take. We are all concerned about falling crowds at some tracks and the general state of the sport. However, it has to be realised that if it were done and the crowds didn't flock back it could result in the demise of a lot of clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I wonder how many of those calling for racing on one/two nights to attract back the GP riders feel sufficiently confident it will increase crowds to cover the cost. Would they remortgage their own homes to do it because that is the sort of risk they are expecting the promoters to take. We are all concerned about falling crowds at some tracks and the general state of the sport. However, it has to be realised that if it were done and the crowds didn't flock back it could result in the demise of a lot of clubs. And do nothing and tracks will still close down and crowds fall further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 All the people on here asking for one race night have to realise the infrastructure of the league makes in not viable for a lot of promotions. It will never happen. It wont neccessarily bring the top boys back or immediatly cause a flood of fans back to the terraces. Squad system is what needs to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 And do nothing and tracks will still close down and crowds fall further. Who said do nothing, there are other options already mentioned on various threads. Squads, not really viable if we are talking about GP riders because of the cost but teams consisting only of riders prepared to commit to the UK, action to reduce costs for promoters, riders and fans and an emphasis on producing and nurturing home grown talent. Possibly, a new combined British League, as in 1965. Team strengths were lowered for the then first division sides and riders allocated to strengthen the second division sides. I know we had most of the world's best riders then but new heroes quickly developed from the second division like Ivan Mauger and Ivor Brown. The concept of seeing clubs not seen before and the chance of only seeing a visiting No.1 once a season resulted in the one of the most successful period in speedway's history. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I wonder how many of those calling for racing on one/two nights to attract back the GP riders feel sufficiently confident it will increase crowds to cover the cost. Would they remortgage their own homes to do it because that is the sort of risk they are expecting the promoters to take. We are all concerned about falling crowds at some tracks and the general state of the sport. However, it has to be realised that if it were done and the crowds didn't flock back it could result in the demise of a lot of clubs. As opposed to continue along as we are now and guess what.. we're witnessing the demise of clubs. Just changing to one/two nights alone won't fix anything. The whole thing has to be repackaged/branded, cleverly promoted and importantly a show put on when matches are staged. I don't personally believe the current promoters, bar perhaps one or two have the ability to do that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 As opposed to continue along as we are now and guess what.. we're witnessing the demise of clubs. Just changing to one/two nights alone won't fix anything. The whole thing has to be repackaged/branded, cleverly promoted and importantly a show put on when matches are staged. I don't personally believe the current promoters, bar perhaps one or two have the ability to do that. I have already explained it is not a question of doing nothing but I agree with your second paragraph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Who said do nothing, there are other options already mentioned on various threads. Squads, not really viable if we are talking about GP riders because of the cost but teams consisting only of riders prepared to commit to the UK, action to reduce costs for promoters, riders and fans and an emphasis on producing and nurturing home grown talent. Possibly, a new combined British League, as in 1965. Team strengths were lowered for the then first division sides and riders allocated to strengthen the second division sides. I know we had most of the world's best riders then but new heroes quickly developed from the second division like Ivan Mauger and Ivor Brown. The concept of seeing clubs not seen before and the chance of only seeing a visiting No.1 once a season resulted in the one of the most successful period in speedway's history. My point is aimed really at the promotions! We all know they will make decisions to suit the short term. That`s why long term plans never get discussed or actioned upon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I wonder how many of those calling for racing on one/two nights to attract back the GP riders feel sufficiently confident it will increase crowds to cover the cost. Would they remortgage their own homes to do it because that is the sort of risk they are expecting the promoters to take. We are all concerned about falling crowds at some tracks and the general state of the sport. However, it has to be realised that if it were done and the crowds didn't flock back it could result in the demise of a lot of clubs. One race night is not all about bringing back the best riders one of the main reason would be to make sure teams had full sides one of the moans of most fans . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Is it time for another Jon Cook three-year plan to be unveiled??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Is it time for another Jon Cook three-year plan to be unveiled??? I think its already been 'unveiled' - and we're half way through year one!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 One race night is not all about bringing back the best riders one of the main reason would be to make sure teams had full sides one of the moans of most fans . Which is one of the advantages of using only riders committed to riding here. I am not against one race night in principle I just see it as unlikely to happen when many clubs are tenants and dependant on other commitments at their stadium. Even when it is possible some promoters would not consider it viable to move from their traditional race night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Which is one of the advantages of using only riders committed to riding here. I am not against one race night in principle I just see it as unlikely to happen when many clubs are tenants and dependant on other commitments at their stadium. Even when it is possible some promoters would not consider it viable to move from their traditional race night. Both being excuses that are worthless and show the narrow mindedness of the existing promoters. If a product is worth seeing it does not matter what night of the week it is on, people will pay to see it. THAT is the problem. Not 'traditional race nights' and all the other flimsy excuses trotted out. Its a lack of imagination to promote that is the problem. What does 'traditional race night' mean to a potential new supporter, which the sport desperately needs? Nothing. Not an attack on you Aces, more an attack on the pervading culture in speedway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy The Rebel Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Squad system would sort all this mess out then aslong as clubs build to the limits every match when changing the line up problem solved plus clubs won't have to change there race nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 If I hear 'we're building a team to get to the play offs' once this winter I'll personally shoot the bugger who said it 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish keeper Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 If I hear 'we're building a team to get to the play offs' once this winter I'll personally shoot the bugger who said it Don't worry as long as Adams is in charge we will not make the play offs again time for new blood to sort the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Don't worry as long as Adams is in charge we will not make the play offs again time for new blood to sort the team. You conveniently forget we made it only last season with a similar side. Edited August 5, 2014 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduds1 Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 The main ( possibly the only one ) problem this season has been the dire points return of Tai ( I notice 12 points Sunday and 11 tonight ). If he had scored to his average I doubt we would have lost a match at home. I presume the only reason Tai is knackered on a Monday is caused by the size of his pay packet. I can't understand the thinking of releasing Ricky Wells who is improving season on season and replacing him with a far from vintage PK, the timing of this move is ridiculous as we haven't been realistic play off candidates for weeks. If this move was made with qualifying for the play offs in mind then surely it would have been better to give Tai his wish and release him from something he obviously doesn't want to do and brought in two better quality riders I don't know who but I'm sure Matt Ford wouldn't have made these sort of changes. I could understand these changes better if it was done with 2015 in mind but hopefully this is not the case. PK has been a great servant to this club but is now well past his best, but if this is going to be the criteria for next years team then we are likely to end up with a 1-5 of Peter Karlsson Michael Max Adam Skornicki Sam Ermolenko Ronnie Correy The only reason I can see for bringing PK back is to hopefully put a few on the gate, but after last night's performance the opposite is likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Blimey, how quickly folk turn after one bad meeting from PK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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