Pirates Of Poole Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Yeah cant see him coming to Poole with Holder, Magic and possibly Darcy around unless he isnt and would be a straight replacement for Darcy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 It was quite clearly stated that if Tai chooses to ride in the UK it would be for Wolves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 The only reason im saying Poole is because of Oz connection,and Lynn being his favourite track. Some might say Swindon because of his mate Batch.But not sure he likes the Abbey track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Don't want him at Poole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 They way I look at it Steve is that if Woffy really wanted to ride then why did Tai take so long to sign the contract. Fair enough if Woffy did because there is more money to be made abroad Of course they didn't but it was a case of you help me and I will help you if not we wont help each other. . BWitcher and Stevebrum. `Riders takes ages to sign contract` shocker. Its happened many many times with riders over the years. They are holding out for the best deal possible. Tai would be perfectly in his right to do so more than any other as World Champion. Freddie has taken ages to confirm in seasons gone by so by the same argument he wasn't committed to riding in the EL as well id imagine? No idea how you make that quote into`he didn't really want to ride `. We have no idea as to what Tai`s plans were for the EL and UK this season prior to the comment from Adams. But i fail to see your logic as it being a reason why he took so long to sign his contract as meaning he didn't want to really ride here. I know for a fact riders sign contracts well before they are announced as that's all to do with the PR for the club. For all we know his contract might have been actually signed before last Xmas! (It was well documented that extra sponsorship was needed for Tai prior to any agreement being made). Your highlighted point proves nothing i`m afraid other than a theory you choose to use as a reason. It was quite clearly stated that if Tai chooses to ride in the UK it would be for Wolves. And i also see no reason as to why he would want to go anywhere else either. Just waiting for the usual `needs to move to a bigger track to improve` line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 No idea what planet you live on. However as we are talking of TOP RIDERS not wanting to ride in the EL we have all the evidence we need. Scores of them from Pedersen to Hancock, from Hampel to Emil, from Jonsson to Woffy have made their feelings crystal clear as to why they want a reduced league programme. The interviews are there to read so is completely accurate. I have no argument regards the `bread and butter` league riders who want more and not less. But an EL NEEDS the top boys so we should be doing all we can to entice them back IMHO. No doubt you will disagree with the evidence that's been proven. Proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It's called Earth, one of the 8 in our solar system and third nearest the Sun - thanks for asking, are you doing an astronomy degree? I wasn't inclined to but will try and point out again my argument. 1) You original statement said "He wanted what most riders want from the EL - less meetings" That doesn't mention "top riders" nor does it specify any group of riders, just most. Ambiguous and not accurate. 2) You now say "scores of riders". A score is 20 so that infers at least 40 riders, yet you only mention 6. Again, the evidence is not there. 3) You expect me to disagree with the "evidence that's been proven" but I can't as there no evidence to disagree with. For example Paul Daniels, Cilla Black & Tim Rice once said that if the Government changed they would leave the the UK - the Government did change but they went nowhere - that was the evidence bit, not the view beforehand. Oh, and evidence is used to prove a case and does not in itself need to be proven. I didn't want to get into a petty debate but I've felt compelled to, not helped by the opening personal remark. My overall argument is that we should not pander to the opinion expressed by the very few well-off over the many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Freddie will be number 1 next season I think that is pretty obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Cilla Black and Tim Rice have their main houses abroad and Paul Daniels also has a house in Europe so they did move in a way. Tai does want to ride in Britain and at Wolverhampton but he can't do them all and if he can't do fourteen of the twenty eight meeting's then it would have to be Britain he will drop next year as he can compete against the best elsewhere and for much better money and a race night every other day basically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 This is completely inaccurate but I assume was just an error? There has been no survey so we form opinions - mine is that a few top EL riders, plus some who don't ride here, want less meetings for their own reasons as they ride in several countries and don't need the additional money. The majority of EL riders are happy with the number of meetings - the reduction last year was criticised by some riders for not giving them enough meetings. Small point but I don't think the EL should be held to ransom by the few - those who want to rider here then fine but it should be on terms that best suit the sport here. It was inaccurate because you don't have the evidence, simple really. There are 9 EL teams so that makes 63 riders - this means you'd need evidence that at least 32 of them want less meetings in the EL. Quoting one rider saying that they know of others who share an opinion is not that evidence. I understand some riders' motives but for me the priority for the BSPA shoudl be thsoe who want to ride here under our terms. Counsel rests It's called Earth, one of the 8 in our solar system and third nearest the Sun - thanks for asking, are you doing an astronomy degree? I wasn't inclined to but will try and point out again my argument. 1) You original statement said "He wanted what most riders want from the EL - less meetings" That doesn't mention "top riders" nor does it specify any group of riders, just most. Ambiguous and not accurate. 2) You now say "scores of riders". A score is 20 so that infers at least 40 riders, yet you only mention 6. Again, the evidence is not there. 3) You expect me to disagree with the "evidence that's been proven" but I can't as there no evidence to disagree with. For example Paul Daniels, Cilla Black & Tim Rice once said that if the Government changed they would leave the the UK - the Government did change but they went nowhere - that was the evidence bit, not the view beforehand. Oh, and evidence is used to prove a case and does not in itself need to be proven. I didn't want to get into a petty debate but I've felt compelled to, not helped by the opening personal remark. My overall argument is that we should not pander to the opinion expressed by the very few well-off over the many. Changing your point of view with every post then. Look at the 2 highlighted comments you made above. It was YOU who mentioned `a few top riders` in the first quote so it was pretty clear you knew who the riders i was referring too. But feel free to change tack to suit. My point remains - we KNOW the opinions of the top boys, we KNOW the opinion of the World Champ, we KNOW the opinion of the current GP Series leader. Those aren't MY opinions (as you appear to suggest) they are the opinions of top riders as evidenced through interviews and their appearance (and non appearance by more who aren't riding here) in the current EL structure. There is evidence available that confirm this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Cilla Black and Tim Rice have their main houses abroad and Paul Daniels also has a house in Europe so they did move in a way. Tai does want to ride in Britain and at Wolverhampton but he can't do them all and if he can't do fourteen of the twenty eight meeting's then it would have to be Britain he will drop next year as he can compete against the best elsewhere and for much better money and a race night every other day basically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Cilla Black and Tim Rice have their main houses abroad and Paul Daniels also has a house in Europe so they did move in a way. Tai does want to ride in Britain and at Wolverhampton but he can't do them all and if he can't do fourteen of the twenty eight meeting's then it would have to be Britain he will drop next year as he can compete against the best elsewhere and for much better money and a race night every other day basically. You may know more about them than me but having houses in different countries doesn't necessarily mean they are domiciled elsewhere. The second point is fair enough, his choice, I won't lose any sleep. I see that K Bjerre said recently that he'd probably drop Sweden rather than Britain - again, his choice and as self employed people they will decide on the basis of personal circumstance. I've found it odd that Nicki P lives in Stevenage but does all his riding abroad - except one GP of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clambo71 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 If Garrity isn't at Coventry next season I hope he doesn't join Wolves. Nothing against Wolves but Garrity needs more rides on bigger tracks and I think that would help his development. didn't hold Tai Woffinden back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted September 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 If this is what happens I reckon that having a British World Champion in your team is more trouble than it's worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 They way I see it is this Woffy took ages to sign the deal. Woffy needed to be persuaded to sign the deal P. Adams offered an ultimatum (You help me and I will help you if not I wont be with you in the GP's) Woffy then signed the Wolves deal only beacause Tai wanted P. Adams with him in the GP's. If Tai was keen on riding for Wolves then the deal would have been done sooner and there would of been no need for the ultimatum and also having to be persuaded to sign the deal Tai was winning GP's as well as scoring double figures in Poland and Sweden. Tai would then turn up to a league which is not half as competitive than the above two and put in awful performances week in week out finishing up with an EL average of 7.12 Those comments and facts say to me that Tai's heart wasn't in it. We wont agree but I respect your opinion Oh i can see the way that you see it. However the issue of not signing a contract sooner(your words) doesn't really determine anything or show any level of commitment (or lack of). Not in my opinion anyway. In regards to EL top 3 averages, of the 31 riders (includes Ward who started the season later) who started the season in teams 1,3 & 5 only 8 have improved their starting average - KING, WOODWARD, IVERSEN, BRIDGER, JANOWSKI, MORRIS, DOYLE & Piotr PAWLICKI. So the new format very much plays into the reason why tai and 22 other heat leaders including ZAGAR, ANDERSEN, HARRIS,PEDERSEN, BJERRE, PK, WATT, WARD, HOLDER, SHAMEK, KORNELIUSSEN have also dropped their starting averages. I am assuming they were as committed as the World Champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 didn't hold Tai Woffinden back Tai had regular rides in Poland and in the top division, Garrity and other youngsters don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) didn't hold Tai Woffinden back Double post! Edited September 24, 2014 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 I can understand the way you see it as well Tai was always going to drop his average of 9.20 with the new format but to take 2 points off is really poor. Think of it this way. I will only do something for you if you do something for me. Tai had his GP defence planned and it didn't involve Britain. However Tai had to alter his plans to get P. Adams on board for the GP's Adams didn't say his plans didn't involve the EL, that may well have been the case but we don't actually know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Perhaps Wolves will finally sign Michelsen now Eastbourne are dropping down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 I have highlighted it for you in the above post Pete never but Tai did. That is twice you have highlighted and nowhere does it say Tai was planning to NOT do the EL this season. We have no idea what Tai`s plans he was outlining to PA were, and if they included missing out the EL or not. I will admit its a vague comment that could mean several things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Tai Woffinden planned on riding for Wolves in 2014 but when it was announced that it was increased to 36 league matches he had reservations as he had already signed up in Sweden and Poland plus the GP Series. With the forthcoming season being 28 matches I don't think he will feel he can fit them all in and stay on top of his game so I feel he has little choice but to miss out Britain in 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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