orion Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 what difference will winning the league make ,I want to see close racing evenly matched riders and have always said s/way is a team sport ridden by individuals Well the teams who make the final normally get big crowds and make money that keeps them alive . so without a league format plays off etc etc you won't be watching anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Er by that thinking there should only be two teams left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Actually yes, it pretty much does just that. For a play off final, it would quadruple the fans through the gate. I meant every match not just a couple of meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 I meant every match not just a couple of meetings Wolverhampton get much bigger crowds when the team is doing well. When they are struggling, they fall away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Imagine next year you can have Freddie and tai as second strings you might stand a chance of the playoffs You can only have 2 riders over 7 anyway. The days of riders on a 7 average and second strings is long gone, especially since they lowered the points limit further and further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 You can only have 2 riders over 7 anyway. The days of riders on a 7 average and second strings is long gone, especially since they lowered the points limit further and further. The points limit technically went up over the break even figure this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 The points limit technically went up over the break even figure this season. Technically it did yes, to include as many of last year's riders as possible - particularly the over averaged second string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) All teams that are performing well usually have decent gates so reaching the play offs should be the icing on the cake after a decent season with decent crowds. Wolves do pretty well with attendances but over the last few seasons it has looked down from a few years ago and this could be down to the lack of a team looking like reaching the play offs or people finding the cost of going too expensive. One reason I think crowds have dwindled down though is the amount of meetings now served up each season. Talking to Graham Jones the other day and his contract was for 66 meetings during the season. There were more league matches, cup knockouts, midland cups, Dudley Wolves Trophy and other meetings. Now we start later in the year and have weeks of no racing what so ever. One of the main reasons for this is the availability of riders who race in different leagues in different countries each week far more now than in the past. As Graham Jones stated at the Sam and Ronnie evening, he would have loved to have ridden abroad more ..... " but they only wanted him" (pointing to Sam). Jonah had a good career in the lower division but then came the point where he needed to move up to earn more money and progress. These days you dont have to as British riders can do 28+ meetings in each division giving them 60+ matches a season without using a ferry, plane or needing a passport. BANG went the ambition to progress by riding abroad or having to move up and now there are less than 30 full time Elite League riders and there is only Chris Harris and Scott Nicholls as full time British riders in the top flight which is possibly why it's hard to get a SWC squad together that can compete with Australia, Denmark and Sweden as the used to do in the days of Collins, Lee, Betts, Jessup, Louis, Wilson, Simmons etc etc etc. Make the Elite League just Mondays = 7 home (£20 possibly - more big names appearing) Get every track to enter the Premier League in two groups = 12 meetings (£12 possibly) Add play offs in both competitions and other meetings and thats roughly 28 home meetings Edited June 30, 2015 by T.N.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) AS FOR TEAM CHANGES ? 8.92 - 7.63 - 7.38 = Fredrik Lindgren 6.15 - 6.95 - 7.15 = Peter Karlsson 6.50* assessed = Tobiasz Musielak 5.88 - 6.05 - 6.40 = Ricky Wells 6.25 - 4.97 - 5.30 = Jacob Thorssell PK is averaging 8.19 so far this season while Freddie is currently averaging 6.58 which is only just above Ricky Wells reaching 6.56. Jacob is averaging just 4.72 and Tobiasz just 4.25. Tobiasz will get a new average after the Swindon meeting on Thursday as it's his fourth away meeting and is (not counting last night) on 33 from 28 = 4.71, roughly the same as Jacob who is obviously much stronger home than away. 32.73 means there is just 1.27 to play with now ........ but who is available and who would go ? If Tobiasz gets a new average of 4.20 then there will be 3.77 to play with meaning he could be replaced by a rider upto 7.77 or Jacob replaced by a rider up to 8.87 ..... (shame DARCY wont be available ? ) Replacing both Tobiasz and Jacob after Swindon would leave 13.07 for two riders Replacing Freddie and Tobiasz after Swindon would leave 15.15 for two riders NOTE; As of July 1st, Coventry have 6.67 available if they wish to replace Robson !! Kings Lynn have 6.64 if they want to replace Porsing which could possibly make Lambert and Milik second strings !! Great isn't it that the clubs doing well and in play off places can improve their team more or less than Wolves can ? Edited June 30, 2015 by T.N.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 All teams that are performing well usually have decent gates so reaching the play offs should be the icing on the cake after a decent season with decent crowds. Wolves do pretty well with attendances but over the last few seasons it has looked down from a few years ago and this could be down to the lack of a team looking like reaching the play offs or people finding the cost of going too expensive. One reason I think crowds have dwindled down though is the amount of meetings now served up each season. Talking to Graham Jones the other day and his contract was for 66 meetings during the season. There were more league matches, cup knockouts, midland cups, Dudley Wolves Trophy and other meetings. Now we start later in the year and have weeks of no racing what so ever. One of the main reasons for this is the availability of riders who race in different leagues in different countries each week far more now than in the past. As Graham Jones stated at the Sam and Ronnie evening, he would have loved to have ridden abroad more ..... " but they only wanted him" (pointing to Sam). Jonah had a good career in the lower division but then came the point where he needed to move up to earn more money and progress. These days you dont have to as British riders can do 28+ meetings in each division giving them 60+ matches a season without using a ferry, plane or needing a passport. BANG went the ambition to progress by riding abroad or having to move up and now there are less than 30 full time Elite League riders and there is only Chris Harris and Scott Nicholls as full time British riders in the top flight which is possibly why it's hard to get a SWC squad together that can compete with Australia, Denmark and Sweden as the used to do in the days of Collins, Lee, Betts, Jessup, Louis, Wilson, Simmons etc etc etc. Make the Elite League just Mondays = 7 home (£20 possibly - more big names appearing) Get every track to enter the Premier League in two groups = 12 meetings (£12 possibly) Add play offs in both competitions and other meetings and thats roughly 28 home meetings Maybe the reason crowds are down is that the quality of the racing is not what it was . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted June 30, 2015 Report Share Posted June 30, 2015 Freddie was fantastic in Sweden tonight yes he was,the Freddie we know,fast and fearless...well he went outside nicki, he has struggled for speed all season in England, different mechanics and tuners?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 yes he was,the Freddie we know,fast and fearless...well he went outside nicki, he has struggled for speed all season in England, different mechanics and tuners?? His engines in Sweden, Poland and England are tuned by the same guy. Different mechanic but they can only work with what is given them and you know Graham Jones knows what to do with a bike after years with PK and helping out a few others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Well Freddie is certainly adding fuel to the speculation he's off to belle Vue in nee stadium to back up zagar and Nicholls with his nice average dropping Maybe Hans Andersen could return to the aces (if he can end this current run of form) as well, add in fricke would be a decent top 5 that probably comes in under the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Maybe Hans Andersen could return to the aces (if he can end this current run of form) as well, add in fricke would be a decent top 5 that probably comes in under the limit. And still find a way not to win:) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Is it a desire problem with Freddie at Wolves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Is it a desire problem with Freddie at Wolves? Think Fred is now finding the tight turns of Monmore just to much hard work. Looking at him in Sweden last night you could hardly believe the transformation from 24 hours earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Think Fred is now finding the tight turns of Monmore just to much hard work. Looking at him in Sweden last night you could hardly believe the transformation from 24 hours earlier. I think even over the last season or so the EL has changed and as CVS said the formula is great for fans but tough on the riders especially the heat leaders there are no easy heats for them anymore .I don't think the track is a problem PK turns as well as ever and is 10yrs older ,it's all about bike setup and as always making starts passing seems to be getting harder and Iam not on a70's was the best era kick. Hero to zero is such a fine margin that if the bike is not working there is little a rider can do except hope the lead rider makes a mistake or has a bike problem . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 Think Fred is now finding the tight turns of Monmore just to much hard work. Looking at him in Sweden last night you could hardly believe the transformation from 24 hours earlier. should be fine at Swindon then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted July 1, 2015 Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 I think even over the last season or so the EL has changed and as CVS said the formula is great for fans but tough on the riders especially the heat leaders there are no easy heats for them anymore .I don't think the track is a problem PK turns as well as ever and is 10yrs older ,it's all about bike setup and as always making starts passing seems to be getting harder and Iam not on a70's was the best era kick. Hero to zero is such a fine margin that if the bike is not working there is little a rider can do except hope the lead rider makes a mistake or has a bike problem . Just dont think Freddie has looked comfortable all season,ok he hasnt exactly set the world on fire away from Monmore,but watching him he just seems to lack the fluency he has had in the past when he was almost untouchable at the Green. Yet on tuesday night in Sweden where he didnt have to turn the bike anywhere near thats required in England,it was like watching the Lindgren of old,especially the pass on Nicki P. Not convinced its the set up,hes been riding long enough over here to know whats required of his bikes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted July 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2015 It is a desire problem with CVS & Adams at Wolves. You were almost there Trees, I've fixed ir for you Just dont think Freddie has looked comfortable all season,ok he hasnt exactly set the world on fire away from Monmore,but watching him he just seems to lack the fluency he has had in the past when he was almost untouchable at the Green. Yet on tuesday night in Sweden where he didnt have to turn the bike anywhere near thats required in England,it was like watching the Lindgren of old,especially the pass on Nicki P. Not convinced its the set up,hes been riding long enough over here to know whats required of his bikes. Precisely. He must have forgotten to get his inoculation for Woffindenitis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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