stevebrum Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 In the Speedway Star there is nothing about there being a rule on seven plus riders being limited to just two per team until you read about Chris Holder looking to return It is, its in the EL part of the rules. I didnt get the hype about JJ. He wasnt very good at Wolves. Id be more inclinded to use Ash or Rose if possible! I thought he did ok and is probably worth sticking with but as he is a Coventry asset i don't see any reason to keep using him to benefit the bees in the long run, however like you say there are probably better options. however if Thorsell is third heat leader then it's a weak team. Quite possibly Jacob will start as 3rd heat leader but lets not forget Berntzon is a heat leader in the waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 It is, its in the EL part of the rules. I thought he did ok and is probably worth sticking with but as he is a Coventry asset i don't see any reason to keep using him to benefit the bees in the long run, however like you say there are probably better options. Quite possibly Jacob will start as 3rd heat leader but lets not forget Berntzon is a heat leader in the waiting. he may very well be but i'll reserve judgement on that until seeing how he rides the track week in and week out, that is if he is in the team. The problem we had last year when Tai didn't exactly turn up was that we had nobody step up to support Piotr in that third heat leader role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 he may very well be but i'll reserve judgement on that until seeing how he rides the track week in and week out, that is if he is in the team. The problem we had last year when Tai didn't exactly turn up was that we had nobody step up to support Piotr in that third heat leader role. Time will tell. I thought Piotr would need time to get used to Monmore but he owned it from the off. Wether Oliver turns out to be a natural on it or struggle a bit like Freddie we will all see (thats assuming he does actually follow thru what he said and signs!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Freddie Lindgren 8.94 Kenneth Bjerre 7.41 or Scott Nicholls 7.56 Jacob Thorsell 6.26 Oliver Berntzon 6.00 Lasse Bjerre 4.66 Lewis Blackbird Joe Jacob that is a team of racers don't know if it could win the league but good to watch. It would be awful to watch and finish near the bottom. The love-in with Freddie is funny.. as some of the same posters were royally slagging him of in his final season here saying he was only there for his testimonial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Freddie Lindgren 8.94 Kenneth Bjerre 7.41 or Scott Nicholls 7.56 Jacob Thorsell 6.26 Oliver Berntzon 6.00 Lasse Bjerre 4.66 Lewis Blackbird Joe Jacob that is a team of racers don't know if it could win the league but good to watch. Play off Kenny apart of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Sorry but I can't see Kenneth Bjerre leaving Kings Lynn as there could be question marks on Iversen starting and think they would want Bjerre to back up Iversen or whoever they get as a number one ? How about FREDRIK LINDGREN 8.94 TAI WOFFINDEN 7.03 JACOB THORSELL 6.25 OLIVER BERNTZON 6.00 KIM NILSSON 5.63 LEWIS BLACKBIRD JOE JACOBS I wouldn't worry about Jacob being a third heat leader as every team will have a sub seven third heat leader and in Berntzon and Nilsson there should be plenty to back them up and the reserves should be one of the strongest pairings in the league. Tai is at the NEC on Monday talking about his plans for 2015, hopefully he can be at the talk in that evening to tell the fans if this includes riding in Britain and especially Wolverhampton. Edited November 21, 2014 by T.N.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 It would be awful to watch and finish near the bottom. The love-in with Freddie is funny.. as some of the same posters were royally slagging him of in his final season here saying he was only there for his testimonial. Which is why I was keeping my gob shut To be fair what stuck in the craw was the season that he scarpered just happened to be the one after his testimonial, not one of the other 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Freddie is Wolves through and through but if the offer isnt right then there will nr others ready to step in for his services now the points limit has been raised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish keeper Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 As T.N.T as pointed out Tai is at the NEC Monday lets hope he sheds some light on his planes for 2015 and do they include Wolves and if so will he be fully committed for the season . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 As T.N.T as pointed out Tai is at the NEC Monday lets hope he sheds some light on his planes for 2015 and do they include Wolves and if so will he be fully committed for the season . Is it just a flying visit?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The big question is....who the hell do you sign if Freddie and Tai say no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The big question is....who the hell do you sign if Freddie and Tai say no? Any one of the many GP riders that BSPA are making it easy to attract - especially on a regular Monday night!!!!!!!??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The big question is....who the hell do you sign if Freddie and Tai say no? Nicki Pedersen. Trouble is,if you are led to believe what CVS says,they are all queueing up to join Wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 If Freddie says no I can only see Jason Doyle or Hans Andersen as possible and I am sure to like Freddie and Tai will not be short of offers and this creates a problem for every Elite League club. These riders know that they are needed and so ask for better deals than is offered or affordable by the track but without their signatures they are left with little choice than to field a weaker team using riders with inflated averages after being a second string in 2014. With most heat leaders seeing their averages drop, it is a bit of a surprise that there is a limit on two seven plus riders, but this is because there was only 15 managing to get over seven but a few of those have already said they are not returning in 2015. So at least one team (possibly more) will start with just one rider over seven. However if that team only signs for example Kenneth Bjerre 7.41, even signing Simon Stead 6.92, Daniel King 6.74, Davey Watt 6.71 and Rory Schlein 6.22 would bring them to 34.00 but that would tie up 4 of the 20 six plus riders (20%) and again there are some riders in that category that are unlikely to return like Jepsen Jensen, Pawlicki, Hougaard, Bridger etc. Setting a high 34 point limit on just 5 riders is far too high and riders will be after better deals as they know how important they are. There are 36 riders with a six or greater average, 37 if you include Lindgren. But from these I would say there are at least eleven that won't be around leaving just 26 and these are not enough to equip all teams with a five man team up to 34 especially when each team still has second strings to sign up with five point averages. The only way I can see more top riders come back are if any of these scenarios happened ... A = One meeting a week on a set night or on whatever night B = Twelve weeks of one home and one away meeting in a week (meaning two meeting most fortnights) C = Setting two race nights (Monday and Thursdays) for Elite matches Hopefully Freddie and Tai will both sign and let other teams struggle on how to get to 34. Its a good job its unlikely that Piotr and Tai will both return as along with Jacob and Oliver it would still leave 7.40 for the last rider meaning Simon Stead 6.92 is the strongest possible signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Which is why I was keeping my gob shut To be fair what stuck in the craw was the season that he scarpered just happened to be the one after his testimonial, not one of the other 9. And what other riders deserve any better respect by doing 10 seasons consecutively for any one club in recent years?? The big question is....who the hell do you sign if Freddie and Tai say no? Probably the reason why the offer to Freddie is time limited. Cant imagine they have a back up plan unless there is another rider that is interested. At least we know it wont be Piotr. Nicki Pedersen. Dont even joke about it! I would hate to have a season of not going often if that was to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Dont even joke about it! I would hate to have a season of not going often if that was to happen. True fan then!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Dont even joke about it! I would hate to have a season of not going often if that was to happen. True fan then!!Why? Because he had some integrity and won't change his views on a rider just because he signs for his club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Nicki Pedersen. Trouble is,if you are led to believe what CVS says,they are all queueing up to join Wolves. [/ But not Woffinden apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) Freddie Hans Jacob Lasse Oliver Would deffo need to invest in an airport shuttle car lol Edited November 22, 2014 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 If Belle Vue protect Steve Worrall and Wolves land Lewis Blackbird as they get second pick behind Leicester, would they need to protect Jacobs as they could be one of the first to pick in the second draw and they could then possibly get to pick Paul Starke. Blackbird should be lower rated than Auty, Newman, Kerr, Garrity and Worrall and that should give them one from Starke, Jacobs, Sarjeant or Greaves who look the strongest in the second pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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