MrMungo Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 I quite like Dave Robinson. His 'tache is quite splendid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Funnily enough I haven't read much about the ref putting Pawlicki back in after his bend 1 fall in heat 6. A decision I found more contentious than NKI's exclusion in heat 15. Could that possibly be because it wasn't the final heat? I don't think I've ever said this before but I totally agree with Orion The referee's decision is final, whether you agree with it or not, whether it's heat 6 or heat 15. If not anarchy rules and the sport is daft enough at times anyway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Who knows if the ref is bias or not! Can't read his mind!! That's why i said he shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Your missing the point big time and are arguing for the sake of it. We're talking here about right and wrong, doing the correct thing. we're suppose to be ruled by intellect. and responsibility. The Ref is suppose to govern to the rules of the sport not on a whim or prayer. He has a responsibility to be correct. in the manner in makes decisions. You say 'Is common sense that another Ref might have seen it another way. But if he was correct call, then all refs would ruled the same. The fact that the decision was not conclusive, when at a time, the whole match rested on that opinion , then he should have made a tolerance towards the situation. Your last part says that a Ref will not makes decisions based on ' the heat score or what heat is was or weather his call would effect the match score' Well probably he should, because they is the criteria the riders race too, and probably it would be best if the Ref was on the same wavelength. They would get more important decision correct.. Read what Niels thought of the Ref decision.......http://t.co/tgtwBflbZE Sorry your saying it's not intellect for the ref to make the decision he thought was correct ? When last night did his decision in heat 15 break the rules ? Maybe I am wrong but I thought you were allowed to exclude riders in heat 15 if they thought they were the cause of the stoppage . Just because other refs might have call it another yet again does mean that he was wrong last night as have we have seen on this subject it's all about opinions and the Opinion last night of the ref rightly or wrongly was to exclude puk . As I said if you believe decisions should be based on the score or what heat it is then it's no wonder people think that Speedway is a mickey mouse sport with mickey mouse rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Sorry your saying it's not intellect for the ref to make the decision he thought was correct ? When last night did his decision in heat 15 break the rules ? Maybe I am wrong but I thought you were allowed to exclude riders in heat 15 if they thought they were the cause of the stoppage . Just because other refs might have call it another yet again does mean that he was wrong last night as have we have seen on this subject it's all about opinions and the Opinion last night of the ref rightly or wrongly was to exclude puk . As I said if you believe decisions should be based on the score or what heat it is then it's no wonder people think that Speedway is a mickey mouse sport with mickey mouse rules Not wanting to carry on with this pointless crusade, it is quite obvious to me that you want to believe the ref are always right.. To you they are God. Whereas I believe, referees are only human, although some think they're god. They do sometimes make the wrong call.. What worries me is the effect these wrong calls have on the sport. At a recent British Championships, the final was stopped 4 times. Four times a rider fell in the first corner, Four times the Ref brought all four back for the rerun. Now to me that Referee was brilliant, He realised the tension the riders were under, he understood the importance of making a good start,, he knew this was a pressure situation when everyone wanted to win.. But he didn't think it was right that the British Champion should be decided on a referee decision. Had that have happened during the meeting the chances are that one or probably two riders would have been excluded. So please don't tell me the situation makes no difference.. Cos it makes a difference. We'll just have to agree to differ. ....... as usual...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 We won that is all I care about shame we didn't take all 3 points but then it was a good nights Speedway I enjoyed it was a good crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) Not wanting to carry on with this pointless crusade, it is quite obvious to me that you want to believe the ref are always right.. To you they are God. Whereas I believe, referees are only human, although some think they're god. They do sometimes make the wrong call.. What worries me is the effect these wrong calls have on the sport. At a recent British Championships, the final was stopped 4 times. Four times a rider fell in the first corner, Four times the Ref brought all four back for the rerun. Now to me that Referee was brilliant, He realised the tension the riders were under, he understood the importance of making a good start,, he knew this was a pressure situation when everyone wanted to win.. But he didn't think it was right that the British Champion should be decided on a referee decision. Had that have happened during the meeting the chances are that one or probably two riders would have been excluded. So please don't tell me the situation makes no difference.. Cos it makes a difference. We'll just have to agree to differ. ....... as usual...... First of all when have I ever said that refs are always been right or indeed that he was right last night ? no need to make things up . I said that a ref should always make a decision based on what happened in the race no matter what heat it is or what the score is or even how important the meeting it is . Then you on about that your worried about all these wrong Decisions yet again where is it set stone that last night was the wrong call ? I have read on here people say that all four should have been back and I have also read that people thought the ref got it right . Are decisions in speedway only judge on what you think ? As for the British Final if the Ref thought that no one should be excluded then that is his call just like the refs last night . Yet again where was it said he never excluded anyone because it was the final ?maybe just like me in his Opinion he found no one at fault ? If a ref was making calls based on how important the meeting rather than what happened in the heat then he's no hero in fact he should not be allowed to ref at all .. Edited July 24, 2014 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Nothing is going to change the result, a couple of decisions were contentious but have added a bit of interest to the after meeting debate.The meeting went to a last heat decider, the pirates won, not comfortably, but a win is a win from their point of view.For the stars there are still positives, we pushed them hard, have won and narrowly lost there this season,effectively taken another point off them and if the two teams meet come play off time, the stars have shown that wimborne road isn't the fortress it has been 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Not going to say anything about the racing itself as my opinions have already been expressed by numerous other posters - but I'm firmly in the Niels was wrong to be excluded - it was right in front of me and my view was echoed by the Poole fans stood around me who were hoping to get away with all 4 back! Anyway, just thought I would post to say thanks to the Poole fans near us on turn 2 who made a couple of travelling Stars fans feel very welcome, think they were happy to see some away support : ) Especially the chap (I'm shocking with names) who we chatted away with for most of the meeting - he was right about Newman being the matchwinner! Hope to visit again in the play-offs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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