SCB Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Looks like Star Fever and myself are nobodies. I've said it since they were introduced and have never and will never change my mind. Have them as a separate competition by all means but the league winners are the league winners in my eyes, whoever they are. While I understand where you're coming from, can I suggest you make it o the Lynn play-off final leg (as they're as close to certainties as certainties get in speedway!). It will change your mind, they're brilliant meetings to be at regardless of results and teams. IMO, play-offs are one of the hand full of things the BSPA have got right in recent times - along with the league point scoring system that keeps 95% of meetings alive until heat 15. As for Poole vs Lynn. C'mon the Stars! Edited July 22, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) The play-offs are for 2 Clubs who each get a decent crowd out of it, and 2 Clubs who each get 2 decent meetings out of it. Maybe even the difference between a profit or a loss on the season overall. The other reason is of course for Sky who get to screen 6 meetings out of it. What I really never understand is why Clubs feel as reward to all their loyal fans support throughout the season they see fit to rip them off by inflating the admission fee. After all they already are on a big pay day with the cameras there, big crowd in, programme sales, sponsorship etc. Not content with all of that they want to stuff it to the fans as well. Edited July 22, 2014 by semion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 sorry but thats rubbish. the team that wins the play off can often be the best team from late August and September onwards. Poole used it to their advantage last season but not when Coventry won it. The team that wins the play offs are the best team in the play offs obviously, but not the best team over the season and thats why you get false 'champions' I'm not a fan of the play off system, but that's the system used. Topping the table enables a team to pick their opponents, and that's it. The champions will be the play off winners whether we like it or not. Don't be surprised if the Dark Lord gets his hands on the trophy again this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I'm not a fan of the play off system, but that's the system used. Topping the table enables a team to pick their opponents, and that's it. The champions will be the play off winners whether we like it or not. Don't be surprised if the Dark Lord gets his hands on the trophy again this year... anyone but please lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) While I understand where you're coming from, can I suggest you make it o the Lynn play-off final leg (as they're as close to certainties as certainties get in speedway!). It will change your mind, they're brilliant meetings to be at regardless of results and teams. IMO, play-offs are one of the hand full of things the BSPA have got right in recent times - along with the league point scoring system that keeps 95% of meetings alive until heat 15. As for Poole vs Lynn. C'mon the Stars! Not a chance. I've a miserly old bird and I've paid my Sky sub (well Hubby has) and I'm gonna get my moneys worth I don't deny they are great for the clubs involved financially, and the fans but my sense of fair play still cannot see them being right, when a club that has scraped in to the top four can beat a team who could possibly have been unbeaten all season because of a freak accident etc. I fail to see why it cannot be a separate competition - yep I'm a stubborn old sod as well I agree with the rest of your post tho Incidentally semion makes an excellent point in post #42 Edited July 22, 2014 by Star Lady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 The team that wins the playoffs are the deserved winners as that's the rules. It's the one thing British Speedway has got right and most sports have a similar System. Look at this season, it would've ended for 9 clubs by May and that wouldn't have help the sport would it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Lets not pretend that the play-offs have anything to do with Sport, Woz. Thats the last thing the play-offs are about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 While I understand where you're coming from, can I suggest you make it o the Lynn play-off final leg (as they're as close to certainties as certainties get in speedway!). It will change your mind, they're brilliant meetings to be at regardless of results and teams. IMO, play-offs are one of the hand full of things the BSPA have got right in recent times - along with the league point scoring system that keeps 95% of meetings alive until heat 15. As for Poole vs Lynn. C'mon the Stars! Did the BSPA have anything to do with the decision of the play offs as thought that was 100% Sky?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 The team that wins the playoffs are the deserved winners as that's the rules. It's the one thing British Speedway has got right and most sports have a similar System. Look at this season, it would've ended for 9 clubs by May and that wouldn't have help the sport would it? Dont agree. Maybe then we should have the Premier league in Football then with the top 4 going into play offs to decide the champions! Its all about money and yes i agree entertainment. The team that win the play offs (unless they win the league) are not in my eyes deserved champions. I agree that perhaps it helps the sport but it also makes the title 'champions' as a bit hollow in my eyes. Look how Peterborough and Poole were able to change their sides to be the strongest 2 come September last year. Birmingham built the best team and then got punished for it. Similar to when Coventry came from bottom to beat Poole which was unfair on the Pirates 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) The play offs are the best racing most of us will see all season, i agree with the sentiment of it seeming unfair to the winners of the league but the excitement they create is well worth the extra we may have to pay and you cannot get the same enjoyment by watching on telly. The Cardiff gp may look a little boring at times on the tv but when you are there the atmosphere is electric and is regarded by riders as the one they all want to win. Some will say it is just done to create more revenue for Sky and the clubs involved make more money as a result, can't see that's a bad thing. What is puzzling is how a club like Birmingham can go under having been in a play off final the previous season. Dont agree. Maybe then we should have the Premier league in Football then with the top 4 going into play offs to decide the champions! Its all about money and yes i agree entertainment. The team that win the play offs (unless they win the league) are not in my eyes deserved champions. I agree that perhaps it helps the sport but it also makes the title 'champions' as a bit hollow in my eyes. Look how Peterborough and Poole were able to change their sides to be the strongest 2 come September last year. Birmingham built the best team and then got punished for it. Similar to when Coventry came from bottom to beat Poole which was unfair on the Pirates I don't seem to remember much sympathy for the pirates at the time! Edited July 22, 2014 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 The Promotions more or less beg for your support all season, and moan when the fans dont rock up. So what happens when your team gets to the play-offs. They come up with a great PR exercise and think to themselves these mug punters will turn up now no matter what, lets stick it to them, sod the fact that some of them have turned up week in come rain or shine, we will overcharge em. As if 17 quid aint enough for 15 mins Speedway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 The Promotions more or less beg for your support all season, and moan when the fans dont rock up. So what happens when your team gets to the play-offs. They come up with a great PR exercise and think to themselves these mug punters will turn up now no matter what, lets stick it to them, sod the fact that some of them have turned up week in come rain or shine, we will overcharge em. As if 17 quid aint enough for 15 mins Speedway. They only normally raise the price for the final and then it was 20 quid and that included a programme so not much of a increase and judging by Brummies demise, they need all they can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) To me the stupid play-offs are just as 'mickey mouse' as the double-point TRs are, and as most people can't stand the TRs it surprises me how popular the play-offs are. Personally I like the TRs because they replaced something even worse, but the play-offs don't do anything for the sport's credibility imo and are just an excuse to line the pockets of too few people.The riders like it only because its 2 or 4 more meetings for them and again more earnings, and supporters like it because .. well its all there is to look forward to isn't it! But again its only the last 4 teams that benefit, so how the play-offs boost speedway in general beats me! In the past there were KO Cups and other competitions all through the season to keep every club and supporters interested in something (and riders earning) , but now they've all gone and all clubs have to cling onto is the play-offs. Even Wolves (who are damn near bottom of the league) are still bleating on about changes to boost their play-off chances!! They haven't got a hope, but that's all they have to aim for. Just having the play-offs as the ONLY prize at the end of the season means every team channels their resources into that, so they're certainly not getting anything out of it if they don't get to the last 4. I've said it before but just think how stupid and meaningless it would be if the top 4 in the GP after 12 or so gruelling rounds throughout the season with a leader who couldn't be caught, had one race-off to decide the World Champion!! To me the league play-offs are just as meaningless. Edited July 22, 2014 by Star Fever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Why don't the fans get together and buy a perpetual trophy to be given to the table toppers every year, the BEL Supporters Trophy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Play-offs show who deals with pressure best. That's the ultimate sign of a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I thought the League winners have are given the Golden egg of representing England in a Europe. Bit like Its a Knockout. Speedway/ Its a Knockout.... Pop a little mini Marthon in the Middle, get an Eddie Waring lookie Likie. Shant mention the other guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jive Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I love the playoffs, I don't care if we win or lose, following this team this year has been superb and if we make the finals and not win it still has been a superb season! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I love the playoffs, I don't care if we win or lose, following this team this year has been superb and if we make the finals and not win it still has been a superb season! While I agree with your sentiments its the fact that in the eyes of the official speedway world, whoever wins the stupid play-offs are 'the League Champions' and whoever won the league is consigned to the dustbin. That is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 The team that wins the playoffs are the deserved winners as that's the rules. It's the one thing British Speedway has got right and most sports have a similar System. Look at this season, it would've ended for 9 clubs by May and that wouldn't have help the sport would it? it wouldnt of ended for 9 clubs, as i have no doubt a promoter like matt ford would of re-acted, he has his finger on the pulse, if other promoters had same mentality, they too, could keep a challenge up, some promoters just let the season drift away. also, if speedway want big crowds (like the play offs) get the ko cup back to its normal self and get the final lined up for the school holidays!!...its not rocket science..as i said before, yes you may get crowds out for play offs, but i have no doubt, what so ever, some kings lynn fans will be missing in the lead up to it, as they clearly qualified already, and whats the point "some may say" of turning out to see a mediocre side in opposition Play-offs show who deals with pressure best. That's the ultimate sign of a good team. really?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 The Promotions more or less beg for your support all season, and moan when the fans dont rock up. So what happens when your team gets to the play-offs. They come up with a great PR exercise and think to themselves these mug punters will turn up now no matter what, lets stick it to them, sod the fact that some of them have turned up week in come rain or shine, we will overcharge em. As if 17 quid aint enough for 15 mins Speedway. So what sports do not put up prices for the finals of their competitions ? If you go to a Speedway meeting you do not go there just for the 15 minutes of racing do you. In Tennis there is only 12 minutes play in an hour. Go horse racing and see 6 to 8 minutes racing. all afternoon. What about golf. If you followed Rory Mcilroy on one round in the Golf Open you would see about 7 or 8 minutes action. in 4 and a half hours at a cost of £50 or more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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