Poole Pirates Vs Kings Lynn Stars 23/7/2014

[tellboy]

You make it sound like the end of the world if King's Lynn lost!

 

If KL were that bothered about the result, I'm sure they would've put Kerr in heat 14.

KL are already through to the play-offs, they all had their moments, no-one is injured, think they'll go home mostly satisfied.

With a bit of luck, they could've won, but if it means they save up their good luck for the finals, I don't think they'll mind a great deal.

I'm sure K.Lynn would have been bothered about the result.Because if they did beat Poole that may have dented there chances of a play-off place.Because I'm sure we would all rather face any other team rather than Poole in the play-offs.

Poole have a classy side and I feel they would be the ones that could do the damage in the play-offs.

[g13webb]

 

 

If only it was that simple. Track conditions, Opposition, State of mind, all come into play. Every match is different and should be judged on it's own merits'

 

There is far more pressure on Poole tonight than Lynn, in that Poole are expected to win at home. As long as Lynn put up a reasonable fight and are in contention they can be relatively happy. Obviously a point would be good but it's not that important.

 

Forgetting the fact we won last time, but thinking back to the meeting, we were always in contention and there were never many points in it. Some may feel we were fortunate to come away with all the points, bearing in mind Darcy nearly lost it on the first corner. so if we are as close tonight, coming into Ht 15 that'll do me and be very happy to go away with a point.

 

We use to go to meetings like this and except we had no chance. That's all different now, so win lose or draw, we go with optimistic thoughts........ and that's got to be good...

 

 

As I posted yesterday, I'm more than happy with a point. We were in contention all night and could easily have won, had a few things went differently.

 

Both teams had riders who did well and some that didn't. Both teams lost points through bike failures. no doubt if or when the two reams meet again the score will be similarly close again.

 

The track seemed to be OK to start with, but later turn into a gate feast. The slick conditions, probably caused by the hot weather, didn't help to create much racing.

Why is it a easy call and why is it a mockery ? The ref in his eyes under the rules righty or wrongly choose to exclude Puk . His call can never be clouded by what the score is or what the crowd want or not exclude someone in case the other team might win . People have turned there backs on the sport because of the sort of mickey mouse calls you want the ref to make .

 

This and the pairs last week has shown that some speedway fans indeed do like mickey mouse rules and calls

 

Heat 15 was an easy call, The ref blamed Niels, but forgets that Darcy, having made the gate, dictated the line into the corner. Darcy hit the corner in mid track, forcing Niels to go wider than he wanted. Milik, unfortunately was all over Niels and running out of room, and came to grief. All the action was caused by the situation of the match and the condition of the track.

For the Ref to exclude Niels he would have to hold him solely responsible for the whole of that first corner. and that he couldn't do. Because the blame could have been proportioned to different riders, the obvious and correct decision would have been to have all four back. The situation demanded that. A Good referee should take everything into consideration before making a decision. . (Pleased he didn't ref the British final, he'd excluded everyone from that final race. .)

 

By taking it upon himself to exclude Niels at that stage of the meeting. He decided the outcome of the meeting and not the riders. Because of that decision, he made a Mockery of everything that had gone on before that instant.

 

When you remember as a decent meeting, nobody would even know who the ref was. It's only when you know the ref, it is because of decisions he got wrong.... That's Fact....

[Steve0]

Another very satisfied punter here, just back from a great crowd at Wimborne Road. Shame about the couple of mechanical issues and refereeing decisions that affected BOTH sides!!

 

When both teams have all their riders racing to their capacity it will make for a fine play-off meeting - hopefully!

Yes - semi final!!

[Poole Quay 7]

As expected a close affair ( unless of course you are the deluded scottyfan ) Well done to both teams.

 

I would imagine Kings Lynn will reach the final but who against I'm not sure!?

 

Should be an interesting run in towards the play-off's for a few teams and keep an eye on the one going into it them who have hit form at the right time and carry the necessary momentum.

Edited July 24, 2014 by Poole Quay 7

[Pirate Baz]

Everyone seems to be debating the two NKI incidents which could have gone either way (depending where your bias lies) but I thought the dodgy decision was with Rory and Vaclav.

Rory went into the third bend too hot and couldn't turn, preventing Vaclav taking a natural line into the bend. He was left with no option other than to bale out, that or plough into Rory.

[Trees]

Definitely need some ex riders as refs, what stops them doing it?

[orion]

 

As I posted yesterday, I'm more than happy with a point. We were in contention all night and could easily have won, had a few things went differently.

 

Both teams had riders who did well and some that didn't. Both teams lost points through bike failures. no doubt if or when the two reams meet again the score will be similarly close again.

 

The track seemed to be OK to start with, but later turn into a gate feast. The slick conditions, probably caused by the hot weather, didn't help to create much racing.

 

Heat 15 was an easy call, The ref blamed Niels, but forgets that Darcy, having made the gate, dictated the line into the corner. Darcy hit the corner in mid track, forcing Niels to go wider than he wanted. Milik, unfortunately was all over Niels and running out of room, and came to grief. All the action was caused by the situation of the match and the condition of the track.

For the Ref to exclude Niels he would have to hold him solely responsible for the whole of that first corner. and that he couldn't do. Because the blame could have been proportioned to different riders, the obvious and correct decision would have been to have all four back. The situation demanded that. A Good referee should take everything into consideration before making a decision. . (Pleased he didn't ref the British final, he'd excluded everyone from that final race. .)

 

By taking it upon himself to exclude Niels at that stage of the meeting. He decided the outcome of the meeting and not the riders. Because of that decision, he made a Mockery of everything that had gone on before that instant.

 

When you remember as a decent meeting, nobody would even know who the ref was. It's only when you know the ref, it is because of decisions he got wrong.... That's Fact....

It one thing saying it was poor call because you never thought that puk should have not been excluded that's fine . The problem is that righty or wrongly he thought Puk should have gone he never asked that to happen . The fact it was a good meeting the weather was sunny or it was heat 15 should have no bearing on his call . As I said the fact the likes of you want calls based on the heat the score etc is the reason why people have turned there back on the sport . Still can't understand how everything before is a mockery because the ref decides to exclude someone as yet again that should have zero bearing on his call .

[semion]

Not a happy Puk In todays EDP

 

http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/kings-lynn-stars/i_think_he_robbed_us_of_the_meeting_it_was_completely_unprofessional_king_s_lynn_stars_rider_rages_about_referee_after_defeat_at_poole_1_3697336#cxrecs_s

[Trees]

GRW makes great point about taking everything that happened in the first and second bends into consideration before making his decision, and obviously GRW thinks he made a cockup

[orion]

GRW makes great point about taking everything that happened in the first and second bends into consideration before making his decision, and obviously GRW thinks he made a cockup

Saying that he make a bad call is fine saying that a rider should not excluded because what heat it is or it might effect the match score is another .

[g13webb]

Saying that he make a bad call is fine saying that a rider should not excluded because what heat it is or it might effect the match score is another .

 

When a meeting will be decided by a referees opinion that is different. He has to be 200% assured of what happened and who was TOTALLY responsible.

for the incident. In both issues he couldn't do that.

 

It was that conclusive, another Ref would have had all four back. This was definitely a Home call..........

[foreverblue]

Not a happy Puk In todays EDP

 

http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/kings-lynn-stars/i_think_he_robbed_us_of_the_meeting_it_was_completely_unprofessional_king_s_lynn_stars_rider_rages_about_referee_after_defeat_at_poole_1_3697336#cxrecs_s

For him to say Kings Lynn were robbed of the meeting is a bit strong, there is no reason to assume that they would have got a heat advantage in the re-run even if he was in it.

[orion]

 

When a meeting will be decided by a referees opinion that is different. He has to be 200% assured of what happened and who was TOTALLY responsible.

for the incident. In both issues he couldn't do that.

 

It was that conclusive, another Ref would have had all four back. This was definitely a Home call..........

Sorry when did the say he was not sure about who should have been excluded ? has there been a press release ? Is common sense that another Ref might have seen it another way but if he did it would not have been on the heat score or what heat is was or weather his call would effect the match score .

[MrMungo]

For him to say Kings Lynn were robbed of the meeting is a bit strong, there is no reason to assume that they would have got a heat advantage in the re-run even if he was in it.

There was little hope of a heat advantage with Iversen in the heat. He wasn't gating, and wasn't that quick either. At least Bjerre had previously beaten Ward, as had Schlein.

[SteveLyric2]

Definitely need some ex riders as refs, what stops them doing it?

 

Perhaps reading this forum??!!!

Not sure how anyone can complain about last night's referee - we had Daniel Holt at Eastbourne!!!!!!

[g13webb]

Sorry when did the say he was not sure about who should have been excluded ? has there been a press release ? Is common sense that another Ref might have seen it another way but if he did it would not have been on the heat score or what heat is was or weather his call would effect the match score .

 

Your missing the point big time and are arguing for the sake of it. We're talking here about right and wrong, doing the correct thing. we're suppose to be ruled by intellect. and responsibility. The Ref is suppose to govern to the rules of the sport not on a whim or prayer. He has a responsibility to be correct. in the manner in makes decisions. You say 'Is common sense that another Ref might have seen it another way. But if he was correct call, then all refs would ruled the same. The fact that the decision was not conclusive, when at a time, the whole match rested on that opinion , then he should have made a tolerance towards the situation.

 

Your last part says that a Ref will not makes decisions based on ' the heat score or what heat is was or weather his call would effect the match score' Well probably he should, because they is the criteria the riders race too, and probably it would be best if the Ref was on the same wavelength. They would get more important decision correct..

 

 

Read what Niels thought of the Ref decision.......http://t.co/tgtwBflbZE

[lionheart]

Everyone seems to be debating the two NKI incidents which could have gone either way (depending where your bias lies) but I thought the dodgy decision was with Rory and Vaclav.

Rory went into the third bend too hot and couldn't turn, preventing Vaclav taking a natural line into the bend. He was left with no option other than to bale out, that or plough into Rory.

 

The dodgy decision was in not excluding Shamek in heat 6

[Gloves]

Thought this was a really good meeting and with both sides likely to make the play-offs the ifs and buts are pretty much irrelevant. Whatever the views on the pirates they are a well run club and a night out is worth the cash. Ward is just awesome to watch. As for the Brummies I miss them and want them back in action asap. In my view Play-offs will be awesome if its Lynn, Poole, Coventry and Swindon. (Just my view, have nothing against Lakeside or Eastbourne).

[foreverblue]

 

Your missing the point big time and are arguing for the sake of it. We're talking here about right and wrong, doing the correct thing. we're suppose to be ruled by intellect. and responsibility. The Ref is suppose to govern to the rules of the sport not on a whim or prayer. He has a responsibility to be correct. in the manner in makes decisions. You say 'Is common sense that another Ref might have seen it another way. But if he was correct call, then all refs would ruled the same. The fact that the decision was not conclusive, when at a time, the whole match rested on that opinion , then he should have made a tolerance towards the situation.

 

Your last part says that a Ref will not makes decisions based on ' the heat score or what heat is was or weather his call would effect the match score' Well probably he should, because they is the criteria the riders race too, and probably it would be best if the Ref was on the same wavelength. They would get more important decision correct..

 

 

Read what Niels thought of the Ref decision.......http://t.co/tgtwBflbZE

What Niels thinks is irrelevant as he is coming from a biased viewpoint which the referee isn't or shouldn't be and to say that his team were robbed is also wrong as it is highly unlikely that the result would have changed if he had been in the race, maybe he is just coming from a personal point of view that he could have got points and consequently the decision may have cost him money.

[Trees]

What Niels thinks is irrelevant as he is coming from a biased viewpoint which the referee isn't or shouldn't be and to say that his team were robbed is also wrong as it is highly unlikely that the result would have changed if he had been in the race, maybe he is just coming from a personal point of view that he could have got points and consequently the decision may have cost him money.

Who knows if the ref is bias or not! Can't read his mind!!

Edited July 24, 2014 by Trees