van wolfswinkel Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) fantastic team effort by those Roscos Rampant Rockin Randy Red Robins. Another late surge from Killer Batch and Worrall, that has stunned Lynn Poole and Leicester in recent weeks. Should get into the play-offs at this rate. Well done to Greavsy, and full commitment from Killer after riding in Russia. That's 5 wins out of last 6. Kid Morra getting new mechanic. GO ROBINS!!! Edited July 22, 2014 by keef van cross 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Cracking meeting again last night with proper speedway racing and not the usual EL bore fest. Shame Zagar had a mare as a usual return from him would have seen an Aces win even with other team members not firing. Attwood was equally to blame with two truly mistifying decisions. No hindsight here as I mentioned to several mates BEFOREHAND want should be done. Very poor. It was also a shame that Belle Vue's usual slick presentation was hit with delays at the start due to crowds and during the meeting. We're usually done before 9 but the 9.20 finish saw the bite be lost from the track surface playing into the hands of the opposition who are better equipped for gate and go. Once that set in we could have been riding at any other EL circuit as they all seem to favour this from the off. Boring to me but at least they win I suppose. I think it showed last night why the Aces have been so poor away as even with big returns from Zagar we come away empty handed. It's their inability to gate and whilst they can combat that at Kirky Lane the chance to pass at other EL tracks in pretty much zero. I've seen more EL this year with bet365 and coupled with the tracks I've visited the rest of the EL product is abismal. Winning might keep your diehards coming but you will defiantly not keep hold of any newbies. Aces fans though will watch racing like that even with a loss as we seem to have a different take on what's entertaining. Maybe it's a Hyde Rd throw back. Any newbies last night would have been thrilled and happy to tell their mates that first out if the gate wins is a myth. Maybe when the academy is completed as part of the new stadium we could have clubs come month by month to learn about racing circuits and speedy presentation instead of gate and go and tractor racing with a 70's pop accompanyment. More of the same next time but hopefully with a win, though if the racing is it's usual standard I'll be a happy man. If the rest of the EL followed suit I would be tempted away from the screen and relive the old days of trip after trip to away meetings. I could be dreaming though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 The main question for me is, how much longer will Zagar be allowed to extract the urine from BV ? I think they have difficulty attracting a genuine number 1 to Manchester on a Monday night so its a case of beggars can't be choosers. and extracting a fair old wedge too..... truly great to watch when he can be arsed.... truly embarrassing when he can't... Very fair wedge from what I have heard. I'd substitute 'infuriating' for 'embarrassing' but otherwise you're spot on. Anyone watching last night would have seen that in his first two races he was unfortunate to get pushed out wide on the first bend. In his second ride he rode well to catch and pass Morris. His third and fourth rides were fine and then in his last ride he was off the graveyard gate 3. With Kildemand and Batchelor covering the racing lines and Scottie chasing hard there was no realistic chance of him getting into a scoring position but he shouldn't have coasted round. This year, like most heat leaders, he hasn't been quite as good as last year but we have still seen some brilliant racing from him. It's always the way that after a loss fans look for a scapegoat but last night in his first two races Zagar was just unlucky to be in the wrong place on the first bend. What you say is true but I find it hard to accept a rider who just gives up when his team mate is throwing everything he can at the opposition. He did it at King's Lynn when I was there recently - two wins when he gated, two trips to the centre when he didn't. The only thing is Zagar wasn't the only one who had a bad night. Cook, Worrall and Payne were disappointing too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) I think they have difficulty attracting a genuine number 1 to Manchester on a Monday night so its a case of beggars can't be choosers. Very fair wedge from what I have heard. I'd substitute 'infuriating' for 'embarrassing' but otherwise you're spot on. What you say is true but I find it hard to accept a rider who just gives up when his team mate is throwing everything he can at the opposition. He did it at King's Lynn when I was there recently - two wins when he gated, two trips to the centre when he didn't. The only thing is Zagar wasn't the only one who had a bad night. Cook, Worrall and Payne were disappointing too. I agree entirely with what you say about riders who give up. The paying fans are entitled to expect 100% effort. It is all relative and you have to take into account the current EL standard but I disagree about him not being a genuine number 1. This year he is effectively third in the EL averages despite having ridden many more away than home matches. If Zagar isn't a number one then, Kings Lynn and Poole apart, no-one has a genuine number 1. All of that apart the real winner last night was speedway. Good weather, a decent crowd and some excellent racing. Edited July 22, 2014 by Aces51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham78 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Thoroughly enjoyed last night, great commitment shown by Peter Kildemand for his journey in from Russia. I was sure we would struggle but a fine team performance proved me wrong. Batch gave another Captain's performance and Nathan Greaves got rewarded for his perseverance. For the Aces I thought Nicholls was excellent. Zagar seemed out of sorts but I remember how good he was in this fixture last season nobody could get close to him, total class so I guess everyone's entitled to an off night. For me the biggest disappointment has to be Craig Cook - away from Kirky lane more often than not he's been poor this season, his EL career seems to have stalled a bit this year. Finally it was good to see entertaining racing at Kirky Lane given the amount of stick the track has received from some quarters in the last few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) I think they have difficulty attracting a genuine number 1 to Manchester on a Monday night so its a case of beggars can't be choosers. But that is what World Champion Tai Woffinden says will be the saving of British Speedway??!!!!!! (or maybe it might just suit him!!!?) Edited July 23, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 But that is what World Champion Tai Woffinden says will be the saving of British Speedway??!!!!!! (or maybe it might just suit him!!!?) It suits ALL the top boys (if you have read the Speedway Star interview) and it is what all the top boys have been saying for season after season now so its hardly a `new` thing just invented by Tai. FWIW it is the ONLY thing that can save the EL from getting any weaker. One (or 2 max) nights which IMHO will see at least 3 or 4 top riders back in the EL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I agree entirely with what you say about riders who give up. The paying fans are entitled to expect 100% effort. It is all relative and you have to take into account the current EL standard but I disagree about him not being a genuine number 1. This year he is effectively third in the EL averages despite having ridden many more away than home matches. If Zagar isn't a number one then, Kings Lynn and Poole apart, no-one has a genuine number 1. All of that apart the real winner last night was speedway. Good weather, a decent crowd and some excellent racing. Bad wording on my part. I agree Zagar is a number 1 - what I should have said is that they might have trouble attracting another/a different genuine number 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Bad wording on my part. I agree Zagar is a number 1 - what I should have said is that they might have trouble attracting another/a different genuine number 1. I'm sure you are right about that. The problem with going to one or two nights is not only whether all EL clubs who are tenants could do it and whether it would work for them, moving away from their traditional race night but also whether there would be a sufficient increase in crowds to pay for these returning stars. Similar financial considerations also apply to squads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I'm sure you are right about that. The problem with going to one or two nights is not only whether all EL clubs who are tenants could do it and whether it would work for them, moving away from their traditional race night but also whether there would be a sufficient increase in crowds to pay for these returning stars. Similar financial considerations also apply to squads. You simply can't expect fans to pay more than what they're paying now & that is what will happen if the top boys come back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I'm sure you are right about that. The problem with going to one or two nights is not only whether all EL clubs who are tenants could do it and whether it would work for them, moving away from their traditional race night but also whether there would be a sufficient increase in crowds to pay for these returning stars. Similar financial considerations also apply to squads. Was it me or was that a decent gate on Monday as well ? Perhaps people are learning (I certainly have) that Kirky Lane is very good racing track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Was it me or was that a decent gate on Monday as well ? Perhaps people are learning (I certainly have) that Kirky Lane is very good racing track. The two best EL meetings I've seen this season have both come from Kirky Lane - what a turnaround Last night's meeting was the 2nd best of the two, despite the magnificent victory for the Rockinest Robins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Was it me or was that a decent gate on Monday as well ? Perhaps people are learning (I certainly have) that Kirky Lane is very good racing track. As I have said before, I had given up hope that the track could be prepared to provide the good racing we used to see in the early 90's. A number of different curators had all tried and failed so even more credit to Colin Meredith and his team who have now produced a consistently good racing strip. I was enjoying the racing too much on Monday to give any real attention to the size of the crowd but my impression is that it was a good turnout. I know it is difficult to assess crowd numbers but they seem to me to be up this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenspoon Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Difficult to estimate crowd numbers at Belle Vue, as you can virtually stand all around the track, (not like some where you are all huddled together in just the one straight), and now that the terracing on turns 3&4 is open again, on a nice night a lot of people go up there, not forgetting the tractor gate crew opposite the start gate, and the grass knoll. Always surprises me how many fans still sit inside on a warm sunny evening, perhaps they are frightened of losing their table seats. It is about time that posters on here stopped automatically labelling BV as a crap track, from what I have seen this year it is one of the best prepared, and the racing is up with the best, even though we lost on Monday there was plenty of exciting racing, well done Swindon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Difficult to estimate crowd numbers at Belle Vue, as you can virtually stand all around the track, (not like some where you are all huddled together in just the one straight), and now that the terracing on turns 3&4 is open again, on a nice night a lot of people go up there, not forgetting the tractor gate crew opposite the start gate, and the grass knoll. Always surprises me how many fans still sit inside on a warm sunny evening, perhaps they are frightened of losing their table seats. It is about time that posters on here stopped automatically labelling BV as a crap track, from what I have seen this year it is one of the best prepared, and the racing is up with the best, even though we lost on Monday there was plenty of exciting racing, well done Swindon. Sunshine - with no chance of a rain-off - is always good for fans, whichever club it is!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 If you mean the presenter on mic, Natalie Quirk. I dunno she sometimes marks the start line out and puts the tapes down one side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 So Attwood admits that he screwed up and Scott says that choosing to give Matej Gate 3 in heat 1 put him on a downer for the night. With the right gate choice, the result could have been very different. Hopefully he'll learn from his mistake, but not counting on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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