orion Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Cheaper to run for a time.. then the top riders in that league will start wanting more money, certain clubs will pay it, others will try to compete, they'll lose money so they'll cut the costs and yet more fans will walk. Spot on ..then the bigger clubs start getting the best riders just like last time and the smaller start to moan ...We need some new plans not olds one that have been done before . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Cheaper to run for a time.. then the top riders in that league will start wanting more money, certain clubs will pay it, others will try to compete, they'll lose money so they'll cut the costs and yet more fans will walk. It's simply a never ending cycle, only been going on now for around 10 years but still folk are too blind to see it. So we keep hearing, but I haven't seen the multitudes flocking to Premier League speedway yet. No but it is affordable and it would be more so with fewer foreigners and the attendant plane fares The idea if flying people all over Europe to appear before less then 1000 fans is ludicrous As a business model it's suicide 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 No but it is affordable and it would be more so with fewer foreigners and the attendant plane fares The idea if flying people all over Europe to appear before less then 1000 fans is ludicrous As a business model it's suicide No, what is suicide as a business model is not identifying why your fans have stopped attending, continuing down a route that has failed season upon season upon season. Every year you think it will be affordable, till more fans walk away and suddenly its not affordable once again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) No but it is affordable and it would be more so with fewer foreigners and the attendant plane fares The idea if flying people all over Europe to appear before less then 1000 fans is ludicrous As a business model it's suicide The Pl is full of foreigners ..no doubt the idea of flying crap foreigners to appear in front of 500 fans is a fantastic business model ..Clubs go bust in both league's and find it hard to survive . Intill the likes of you start to understand that then Speedway has little chance of going forward Edited July 21, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Who is Tia? You have me there what can I say dyslexia runs in the family ( not a joke) my apologies no offence meant to Tai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 The Pl is full of foreigners ..no doubt the idea of flying crap foreigners to appear in front of 500 fans is a fantastic business model ..Clubs go bust in both league's and find it hard to survive . Intill the likes of you start to understand that then Speedway has little chance of going forward Actually I was referring to the pl which should be 6 Brits min in each team in my humble opinion There are plenty of young riders and not wobblers either You might think that bringing the worlds best riders to the el is the way forward but who is going to take the financial risk? I would suggest no one is No, what is suicide as a business model is not identifying why your fans have stopped attending, continuing down a route that has failed season upon season upon season. Every year you think it will be affordable, till more fans walk away and suddenly its not affordable once again. Ok what then??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 You have me there what can I say dyslexia runs in the family ( not a joke) my apologies no offence meant to Tai I'm sure no-one took offence! Fortunately I don't have dyslexia, but my fingers do get out of control on the keyboard quite often! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Actually I was referring to the pl which should be 6 Brits min in each team in my humble opinion There are plenty of young riders and not wobblers either You might think that bringing the worlds best riders to the el is the way forward but who is going to take the financial risk? I would suggest no one is Ok what then??? Putting crap teams out is a risk, as I said you don't save money if you lose most of the crowd . Putting out a cheaper product won't always save you money . I have already said have a go at running top speedway on one or two race nights . Not sure if it would work but at least it's a new plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 And less fans to watch it. I wouldnt go if it wasnt for the top names as i have no interest in watching a lower standard rider Why? Surely competitive, entertaining racing is what fans want? I'd much rather see a heat with four riders of equal ability, as far as possible, race against each other How many top names, as you call them, do you want to see in each and every meeting? If there's only a couple, then they're unlikely to get much competition during the match for you to marvel at Remember, the top names in general only do four laps in a couple of seconds less than the large majority of riders Perhaps without them, so they can concentrate on earning their zlotys and krona, and avoid unnecessary early morning dashes to Stansted and Luton, there would be closer, thereby more entertaining, racing for UK fans Putting crap teams out is a risk, as I said you don't save money if you lose most of the crowd . Putting out a cheaper product won't always save you money . I have already said have a go at running top speedway on one or two race nights . Not sure if it would work but at least it's a new plan Which part of "most speedway teams only rent the stadia they ride in, so they are restricted when they are available" do you not understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Why? Surely competitive, entertaining racing is what fans want? I'd much rather see a heat with four riders of equal ability, as far as possible, race against each other How many top names, as you call them, do you want to see in each and every meeting? If there's only a couple, then they're unlikely to get much competition during the match for you to marvel at Remember, the top names in general only do four laps in a couple of seconds less than the large majority of riders Perhaps without them, so they can concentrate on earning their zlotys and krona, and avoid unnecessary early morning dashes to Stansted and Luton, there would be closer, thereby more entertaining, racing for UK fans Which part of "most speedway teams only rent the stadia they ride in, so they are restricted when they are available" do you not understand? What team's can't ride Home Matches on Mondays ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Those away at Monmore and Kirky Lane for two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 What team's can't ride Home Matches on Mondays ? Why Monday? So we don't upset Poland or Sweden or Denmark? How about Saturday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Why? Surely competitive, entertaining racing is what fans want? I'd much rather see a heat with four riders of equal ability, as far as possible, race against each other How many top names, as you call them, do you want to see in each and every meeting? If there's only a couple, then they're unlikely to get much competition during the match for you to marvel at Remember, the top names in general only do four laps in a couple of seconds less than the large majority of riders Perhaps without them, so they can concentrate on earning their zlotys and krona, and avoid unnecessary early morning dashes to Stansted and Luton, there would be closer, thereby more entertaining, racing for UK fans Which part of "most speedway teams only rent the stadia they ride in, so they are restricted when they are available" do you not understand? Why? Surely competitive, entertaining racing is what fans want? I'd much rather see a heat with four riders of equal ability, as far as possible, race against each other How many top names, as you call them, do you want to see in each and every meeting? If there's only a couple, then they're unlikely to get much competition during the match for you to marvel at Remember, the top names in general only do four laps in a couple of seconds less than the large majority of riders If that's what the Fans wanted then Pl and Nl would have the bigger crowds the fact that they don't shows it's not what the fans want Those away at Monmore and Kirky Lane for two Are ask the question again what team's in the El can't home Matches on a Monday ? Why Monday? So we don't upset Poland or Sweden or Denmark? How about Saturday? Because a lot people want to watch the better riders I understand you don't but loads do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 If that's what the Fans wanted then Pl and Nl would have the bigger crowds the fact that they don't shows it's not what the fans want Are ask the question again what team's in the El can't home Matches on a Monday ? The bigger clubs are in el so crowds would be bigger Coventry are always going to get bigger crowds than Buxton regardless of racing quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 whats the problem on the squad system rather then move race nights? I for one like to travel to away fixtures when ive got time off,or im on holiday.The only good thing uk speedway has going for it is that you can go racing most days of the week,if your an anorak fan like myself!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers in Gravy Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Tai's come in for a bit of stick on here, but surely he's just stating the obvious. Most riders I've met love the sport and would race every night given the chance, but the British schedule is unsustainable and has harmed the sport at the top level in this country, driving down the standard of the top league. No motorsport I know of has the world's top competitors appearing in Britain 30-plus times a year - correct me if I'm wrong - so why should speedway be any different? We'd be doing well if we could see Woffinden, Iversen, Ward and so on 12 or 14 times a year. One night a week will only happen with fundamental changes to the league and even then it may not be possible because of track restrictions. The bottom line is that, if you want to watch the top riders in action you're going to have to accept a league of eight or even six ( I know Sky want eight, but how many tracks can you name that will be in business and be able to compete at the top level in three or four years?) riding each other once home and away. Having failed to establish a regular race night years ago, Britain has missed the boat and the sport is in such a fix they may even have to consider a four-team tournament style league like Denmark once had if they are to carry on featuring the top riders or to attract more of them. It's tempting to tell the few top riders (and how many are really left - six? seven?) to leave and let us get on with a beefed-up Premier League, but what would the future of the Premier League be without the EL? Add Poole, Wolves, Lynn, Belle Vue and Lakeside to the league (with Cradley moving up) and you have at six tracks capable of outspending every current PL track. Also, with no Elite League, many PL riders would not have their vital second income stream and could go part-time, go/stay abroad or retire. Whichever way, the standard of the sport in Britain will drop. PL fans are massively complacent if they think this problem has nothing to do with them. The writing was on the wall regarding the chaos of EL fixutes in 1995 when Hans quit British Speedway for Poland/Sweden/GP's. Yet here we are 20 years later and they still basically did very little to make it an attractive place to race. It's the worst league for the riders finacially, hectic schedule, stupid rule changes, the BSPA really don't help themselves. Also, they never secured a major sponsor for the league (Im not counting SkyBet thats just Sky tv using free advertising on their own channel) again, not helping the finacial plight. Theyve been complaining about costs for so long, but to my mind theyve never gone with simple solutions. 6 rider teams, less foreigners - ie only employ the best dont fill teams up with the Skornikis of the world.Team kevlars are a pointless expensive exercise as it's rarely a team without a guest. That's just 3 very basic ideas. Anywway we all know Until the EL is taken over by independent professionals with no self interest it'll never be as succesful as it could or should be. With regards to a single race night, yes it is pretty much impossible but they should try and narrow it to say Mondays and Fridays if possible A good point spoiled by a bad example. Adam Skornicki is one of the best value foreign riders of the last 20 years. A cult hero at Monmore, he's popular just about everywhere he's raced and has been a great servant of British speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Belle Vue were at Brandon last Friday Top name Matej Zagar was in the line up Do you think this added to the attendance numbers? No, fans in the main turned up to a) watch speedway support/follow their team/favourite rider(s) The return of Scott Nicholls may have put a few on the gate whats the problem on the squad system rather then move race nights? I for one like to travel to away fixtures when ive got time off,or im on holiday.The only good thing uk speedway has going for it is that you can go racing most days of the week,if your an anorak fan like myself!! I was going to mark this as a like, except I'm not in favour of a squad system, but I do agree with the point about racing being available most days of the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 If that's what the Fans wanted then Pl and Nl would have the bigger crowds the fact that they don't shows it's not what the fans want Are ask the question again what team's in the El can't home Matches on a Monday ? Because a lot people want to watch the better riders I understand you don't but loads do Not enough to pay their wages seemingly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Belle Vue were at Brandon last Friday Top name Matej Zagar was in the line up Do you think this added to the attendance numbers? No, fans in the main turned up to a) watch speedway support/follow their team/favourite rider(s) The return of Scott Nicholls may have put a few on the gate Of course a rider like Matt Zagar would have an effect on crowd figures .it's common sense that the stronger the side the more likely the crowd's going to be bigger . Edited July 21, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Tai's come in for a bit of stick on here, but surely he's just stating the obvious. Most riders I've met love the sport and would race every night given the chance, but the British schedule is unsustainable and has harmed the sport at the top level in this country, driving down the standard of the top league. The British schedule is not unsustainable, it's the jetting off to foreign lands two, three or more times a week that's unsustainable - the answer is riders 100% committed to the UK onlyOf course a rider like Matt Zagar would have an effect on crowd figures .it's common sense that the stronger the side the more likely the crowd's going to be bigger .Why "of course"? He's hardly a household name outside the speedway fraternity, and I would suggest that virtually all the Coventry supporters there last Friday were at the previous home match, and will be at the next oneOver the years I doubt there's been many riders who would add any sizeable numbers to a meeting attendance Sayfutdinov obviously did so, but who before him had the impact a Fundin, Mauger, Craven, Briggs, Gollob, Penhall had? Oh, and I see you changed from "top names" to Stronger sides" - there's a vast difference! Edited July 21, 2014 by Midland Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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