Woz01 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 If one night racing was introduced,you would also have to introduce squads,there could be no facility for guest riders as they would all be riding on the same night,not a bad thing!! Squads are also ideal for the way the EL is now. I don't see why we can't have reduced fixtures and each club has one fixture a week without changing clubs race nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 All well and good saying go one night and get top riders back. Admission would be 20 quid plus, meetings would still take too long, teams will still flaunt the rule book and people still won't go as a result. And the moaners will still find something to moan about. Especially on our forum !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Squads are also ideal for the way the EL is now. I don't see why we can't have reduced fixtures and each club has one fixture a week without changing clubs race nights. Well we will have less fixtures in 2015 because we'll have only 8 teams!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 But Sainsbury's, Tesco hand the local newsagent all know they have to stock a range of products from budget to top quality to cater for all tastes. British Speedway needs riders of some degree of quality if not GP riders. If Tesco stocked budget products only they would lose a lot of customers. Same with speedway. but tesco and the other too big for there boots are loosing customers because they charge more because they have huge over heads....aldi's for instance ok maybe less choice but smaller stores less staff smaller overheads means low prices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) dunno about Lidl, (wor lass like's it),,, but there's nowt a marra with Aldi, fair anuf, you gotta do a lot of looking for yourself, the staff are'nt always around to show you where stuff is, ye might wait a while in the que and have gotta be sh!t hot at packing your stuff,,, but some of the food is really good,,, the 'specially-selected' sausages are the dogs bollocks,,, av often wondered what happens to all thier nads when their newted,,, now I know :-) SUPERB!!!!! I've been on the same wave as Tai for many years but 1 single race night would be impossible. After a little bit of homework though it does look like all EL tracks could race Monday's or Thursday's. No excuses 8-10 teams Have the league set to 1 home and away fixture against each team (16-18 fixtures) + playoffs Only 1 fixture per week home or away The Premier League can't race on these 2 nights All riders outside the GP's / SEC can ride for Premier League clubs (also excluded are those riding both Swedish & Polish Elite) 1 British U24 at reserve 1 U20 Fast Track Rider at reserve (National League rider in the last 3 years) Adjust current race format having the home U24 reserve racing with his home top 2 heatleaders but not meet the away top 2. The home U20 FTR races with the home 3rd Average Rider but not against any of the away top 3 Average Rider's Scrap the 2nd reserve race Fixed team positions according to averages 1. Top Average Rider 2. 4th Average Rider 3. 3rd Average Rider 4. 5th Average Rider 5. 2nd Average Rider 6. Brit U24 7. U20 FTR You can s*d off with that argument. The Premier League can, and will, I hope, Race on whatever Night suits them. Your Problem is an Elite League problem, let the Elite League solve it. It has b*gger all to do with the Premier League. Bloody arrogance. :mad: Well we will have less fixtures in 2015 because we'll have only 8 teams!!! I only hope that no Team in the Premier League is daft enough to want to join the Elite League - look what's happened to Birmingham. They were doing OK in the Premier League, and then got duped in to taking an Elite League place chasing 'big bucks'. That went well didn't it. Edited July 19, 2014 by The White Knight 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeoBrummie Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) To be fair Tony Mole has said EL was perfectly viable when he was running the club. Moley made a big mistake selling the club to a pair of keen and enthusiastic amateurs with no experience of running a speedway club - that's what killed us off. Edited July 19, 2014 by BeoBrummie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 There used to be a rule that you could not be an EL promoter unless you had promoted at PL level or had an experienced promoter working with you. The rule was dropped when Nigel Wagstaff (and Brian something?!) took over at Lynn, we saw what happened to Waggy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 but tesco and the other too big for there boots are loosing customers because they charge more because they have huge over heads....aldi's for instance ok maybe less choice but smaller stores less staff smaller overheads means low pricesAnd apparently the staff are treated like sh**!?There used to be a rule that you could not be an EL promoter unless you had promoted at PL level or had an experienced promoter working with you. The rule was dropped when Nigel Wagstaff (and Brian something?!) took over at Lynn, we saw what happened to Waggy!!Brian Griffin and what a breath of fresh air he was! Perhaps they were too generous and that took it's toll at Lynn :-( Remember our 2000 team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Brian Griffin. IMO top level speedway in the UK has come to a crossroads.....we either need to run something along the lines of Sweden, a 'superleague' with set race nights and squads. If that means eight teams so be it. If not then we need to get rid of all riders who don't / won't put British fixtures first when there is a clash and have a weaker league, one big one if necessary. This year there has been far, far too many guests and R/R facilities when riders have been riding elsewhere, and that goes for both leagues. There needs to be far more cooperation when riders represent two teams as the fixture clashes have been ridiculous and for me missing riders is yet another thing putting people off the sport. At least if teams have squads of ten fans can identify with everyone who represents them and it would eliminate the need for guests. Edited July 19, 2014 by Gordon Bennett 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 If you asked a man in the street if he was going to speedway because Nicki Pedersen was riding there, I guess you'd get a blank look because few people have heard of Nicki Pedersen. He'd bring in only a small number of fans and certainly nowhere near enough to fund his wages. If Birmingham and Eastbourne can't currently make ends meets, replacing the fast track reserves with established world stars will be lunacy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Squads are also ideal for the way the EL is now. I don't see why we can't have reduced fixtures and each club has one fixture a week without changing clubs race nights. Where are all the riders coming from to fill these squads ? Please don't tell me all the missing GP riders will suddenly want to ride in Britain...........................unless they can all earn an absolute fortune for doing part of the season I wonder who will be expected to pay for that.........................oh that will be the fans again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 SUPERB!!!!! You can s*d off with that argument. The Premier League can, and will, I hope, Race on whatever Night suits them. Your Problem is an Elite League problem, let the Elite League solve it. It has b*gger all to do with the Premier League. Bloody arrogance. :mad: Arrogance The only arrogance is coming from the PL and their fans for refusing to see the bigger picture that change is required throughout speedway and not just the EL for the benefit of British Speedway and our own British riders. As a King's Lynn fan I'm fully aware of the workings of all 3 levels of racing. Change is required from top to bottom. British Speedway needs the double up option and for it to work correctly the Premier League can't race the same night's as the Elite League. That's not arrogance, it's bloody common sense for goodness sake 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Many of the arguements on here are simply not thought through and most people know why As most of the stadiums are not owned by Speedway promoters they cannot pick which night of the week they can race on. The thought of all matches taking place on a Monday is ludicrous . To start with it's the worst night to promote Speedway.With a live match on Sky TV on Mondays as well the other matches would be lucky to get a gate of 1000. That would mean in one season the EL would be finished. Mind you it will never happen as most teams would know it would be financial suicide. Surely when Belle Vue move into their new stadium they would certainly not run on a Monday night . A weekend fixture would certainly double their gate. The best solution would be to say to all riders do you want to ride in GP's or do you want to ride in the British, Polish or Swedish leagues. The sooner the split comes the better it will be for British Speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Where are all the riders coming from to fill these squads ? Please don't tell me all the missing GP riders will suddenly want to ride in Britain...........................unless they can all earn an absolute fortune for doing part of the season I wonder who will be expected to pay for that.........................oh that will be the fans again but the idea of "filling the squads" is a HUGE turn of for me. rider sharing is pathetic, no proper sport should do this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Arrogance The only arrogance is coming from the PL and their fans for refusing to see the bigger picture that change is required throughout speedway and not just the EL for the benefit of British Speedway and our own British riders. As a King's Lynn fan I'm fully aware of the workings of all 3 levels of racing. Change is required from top to bottom. British Speedway needs the double up option and for it to work correctly the Premier League can't race the same night's as the Elite League. That's not arrogance, it's bloody common sense for goodness sake did'nt think speedway done 'common', lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Sometimes you don't chase the money if you like your job, the people you work with or perhaps you feel less pressured, not always about the money. I actually agree with you, I've turned promotions down myself because I didn't think the extra money was worth the extra pressure. However riding a speedway bike is the same wherever they ride to a point. More pressure in Poland but I reckon riders of tais standard would relish that I would have thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 A big help to British speedway would be if, like Poland, Sweden and Denmark, each Elite League club either owned their own stadium or had a stadium for the sole purpose of speedway. Easier said than done I know, with venues and locations very difficult to find. But until this happens and clubs continue to be dictated to by landlords on which night they race, one night per week will never happen. By the way, I ask because I do not know, how many British clubs do actually own their own track / stadium or is the venue used solely for speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Many of the arguements on here are simply not thought through and most people know why As most of the stadiums are not owned by Speedway promoters they cannot pick which night of the week they can race on. The thought of all matches taking place on a Monday is ludicrous . To start with it's the worst night to promote Speedway.With a live match on Sky TV on Mondays as well the other matches would be lucky to get a gate of 1000. That would mean in one season the EL would be finished. Mind you it will never happen as most teams would know it would be financial suicide. Surely when Belle Vue move into their new stadium they would certainly not run on a Monday night . A weekend fixture would certainly double their gate. The best solution would be to say to all riders do you want to ride in GP's or do you want to ride in the British, Polish or Swedish leagues. The sooner the split comes the better it will be for British Speedway. Exactly. The reality that the most popular race nights from the public point of, view would be at the weekends. Thus we have 4 EL clubs racing on a Friday or Saturday, plus David Gordon says when he gets the new stadium he wants to move towards the end of the week hand Rick Frost was quoted as saying he would prefer an Friday race night. The only ones who want a Monday race night are the GP riders. It seems that the riders of quality not actually in the GPs don't mind when they come as long has the money is good, but since the crowds are not great the money is not great , and the reality is that star riders don't make up the shortfall of what is lost by an unpopular racenight. No body could have invested more than Rick Frost did at Peterborough, plus he promoted a popular race track, but after 5 years and half a million quid he was miles short of balancing the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Perhaps more top riders will go for the European Championship instead of the 12 rounder, wouldn't be so intrusive to their year and wouldn't it help our promoter's wish to race on Friday nights! .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Brian Griffin. IMO top level speedway in the UK has come to a crossroads.....we either need to run something along the lines of Sweden, a 'superleague' with set race nights and squads. If that means eight teams so be it. If not then we need to get rid of all riders who don't / won't put British fixtures first when there is a clash and have a weaker league, one big one if necessary. This year there has been far, far too many guests and R/R facilities when riders have been riding elsewhere, and that goes for both leagues. There needs to be far more cooperation when riders represent two teams as the fixture clashes have been ridiculous and for me missing riders is yet another thing putting people off the sport. At least if teams have squads of ten fans can identify with everyone who represents them and it would eliminate the need for guests. The EL is finished as a top level speedway and has been for a few years.Who wants to pay Top admission money to watch a tired Woffy going through the motions.Everyone knows that single night speedway won't happen in Uk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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