Marcelle Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Thursday is speedway night on Teesside and has been since forever Who is going to compensate them if things go ** up having to change race night? and Sheffield....it works on one night abroad, it would here...GP,sat,Pol sun,Break Mon,Swe tue, GB wed,Break thu, and so on..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Monday night is the worst night of the week Edited July 30, 2014 by mickthemuppet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Monday and Wednesday would be the best two nights if EL went that way. Why are they any better than Weds/Thurs (which I'd vote for if we were in it) as Dick suggested? It was always a pain following on from the weekend & Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) The main concern is speedway in Britain being staged at all, regardless of racenight. We need a radical re-juggle of the sport in this country or speedway nights at many tracks will be memories. All this freedom of employment stuff means nothing, especially if the riders refuse to race here because they want to ride in Europe instead. They can throw tantrums about freedom of whatever, but if British speedway sets up a league, offers them a chance and they refuse, then they have made the decision. It sounds tough... but the pie-in-the-sky ideas of one race night... it'll never happen, it can't happen. British speedway will be in a lot better position to survive, mend its cuts and wounds, and come back stronger... with riders focused on racing in one country. Premier League standard racing is quite exciting. Well managed, it could be the basis similar to the 1965 reform of British racing. British racing isn't attractive to the so-called big names anymore. Keeping it the way it is, will it ever again turn heads of the top boys? I doubt it. Keeping it the way it is... speedway here will continue to drive away the support... vital and somewhat more important than the stars. Without payers at the turnstile... it'll fall like warm ice. The stars, men below them, speedway nights and even the sport... there'll all be gone. We can't afford the big names anymore, and they have shown where there colours lie. Let's move on... Edited July 30, 2014 by moxey63 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Monday and Wednesday would be the best two nights if EL went that way. Yes - but if you are talking about ALL Speedway in this Country - the Elite League is the minority League. They cannot be allowed to dictate everything. Edited July 30, 2014 by The White Knight 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Monday and Wednesday would be the best two nights if EL went that way. How would it really improve anything if the Swedish Elite League is Tuesday? Riders would still potentially be flying in-and-out of the country twice a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 The main concern is speedway in Britain being staged at all, regardless of racenight. We need a radical re-juggle of the sport in this country or speedway nights at many tracks will be memories. All this freedom of employment stuff means nothing, especially if the riders refuse to race here because they want to ride in Europe instead. They can throw tantrums about freedom of whatever, but if British speedway sets up a league, offers them a chance and they refuse, then they have made the decision. It sounds tough... but the pie-in-the-sky ideas of one race night... it'll never happen, it can't happen. British speedway will be in a lot better position to survive, mend its cuts and wounds, and come back stronger... with riders focused on racing in one country. Premier League standard racing is quite exciting. Well managed, it could be the basis similar to the 1965 reform of British racing. British racing isn't attractive to the so-called big names anymore. Keeping it the way it is, will it ever again turn heads of the top boys? I doubt it. Keeping it the way it is... speedway here will continue to drive away the support... vital and somewhat more important than the stars. Without payers at the turnstile... it'll fall like warm ice. The stars, men below them, speedway nights and even the sport... there'll all be gone. We can't afford the big names anymore, and they have shown where there colours lie. Let's move on... Move on ? then you suggest a idea from 1965 A big league has been tried it never worked and never will . As for Pl standard how on earth would bring the fans back in ? as the crowds are poor in that league . You might not like fans want to see the big names and that will never change ....the thing that drives fans away is the lower standard of rider . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Move on ? then you suggest a idea from 1965 A big league has been tried it never worked and never will . As for Pl standard how on earth would bring the fans back in ? as the crowds are poor in that league . You might not like fans want to see the big names and that will never change ....the thing that drives fans away is the lower standard of rider . But will existing fans and lost fans turn up in sufficient numbers and want to pay higher admission to fund the higher standard? The answer is no, Bratters said years ago that Panthers couldn't survive on crowds alone which is why he worked so hard on the commercial side, even if you dispute his figures Speedway has to do the same and it's criminal that they've wasted Sky coverage & sponsorship over the last decade or more and can't work out why they are left with a dogs dinner of a product? I fear that they've missed the boat and the yearly race to the lowest common denominator has almost been won, meaning that the lower standard is all they can afford, just! Edited July 30, 2014 by Crump99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) But will existing fans and lost fans turn up in sufficient numbers and want to pay higher admission to fund the higher standard? The answer is no, Bratters said years ago that Panthers couldn't survive on crowds alone which is why he worked so hard on the commercial side, even if you dispute his figures Speedway has to do the same and it's criminal that they've wasted Sky coverage & sponsorship over the last decade or more and can't work out why they are left with a dogs dinner of a product? I fear that they've missed the boat and the yearly race to the lowest common denominator has almost been won, meanong that the lower standard is all they can afford, just! Sky money has not been put to any use. In saying that, where could it have gone? Improving stadia is a no-go, with most promoters having no say in venues that somebody else owns. After 15 years of lavish TV coverage, with millions being swilled into the sport, the coffers seem bare. A chance of a lifetime wasted and a sport left in a worse position than before. It really is tragic. Move on ? then you suggest a idea from 1965 A big league has been tried it never worked and never will . As for Pl standard how on earth would bring the fans back in ? as the crowds are poor in that league . You might not like fans want to see the big names and that will never change ....the thing that drives fans away is the lower standard of rider . We all would prefer steak over bread and butter, but it's what is affordable. We can't afford star namesand need a business plan to see the sport at least survive. I ddon't pretend to have all the answers, it is just my view. But I don't pretend the sport can either afford or persuade the stars to return. We have few stars left, fewer on the terraces who pay for the remaining riders. And there seems to be a make-do attitude, a live for today, lets just finish this season attitude. Everything, with hands over eyes, will be ok... once we arrive at another fresh, new season in 2015. Edited July 30, 2014 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Sky money has not been put to any use. In saying that, where could it have gone? Improving stadia is a no-go, with most promoters having no say in venues that somebody else owns. After 15 years of lavish TV coverage, with millions being swilled into the sport, the coffers seem bare. A chance of a lifetime wasted and a sport left in a worse position than before. It really is tragic. We all would prefer steak over bread and butter, but it's what is affordable. We can't afford star namesand need a business plan to see the sport at least survive. I ddon't pretend to have all the answers, it is just my view. But I don't pretend the sport can either afford or persuade the stars to return. We have few stars left, fewer on the terraces who pay for the remaining riders. And there seems to be a make-do attitude, a live for today, lets just finish this season attitude. Everything, with hands over eyes, will be ok... once we arrive at another fresh, new seaskn in #2015. Mmmmmmmmmmm - I wonder ......................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 We all would prefer steak over bread and butter, but it's what is affordable. We can't afford star names and need a business plan to see the sport at least survive. If they were capable of drawing up, agreeing and sticking to a business plan then we probably wouldn't be in this mess? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 If they were capable of drawing up, agreeing and sticking to a business plan then we probably wouldn't be in this mess? Alas, we are what we are today. Until somebody arrives with no particular club loyalty, with priority of a main interest in the spprt as a whole, who has the final nod on the speedway sat nav and the immediate journey, perhaps it will remain a no man's land sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 My guess is that the BSPA will try to reach a compromise by going for a two night option - Wednesday/Thursday. Some Premier League teams will find themselves under intense pressure to move 'up' if they can race on the chosen nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 But will existing fans and lost fans turn up in sufficient numbers and want to pay higher admission to fund the higher standard? The answer is no, Bratters said years ago that Panthers couldn't survive on crowds alone which is why he worked so hard on the commercial side, even if you dispute his figures Speedway has to do the same and it's criminal that they've wasted Sky coverage & sponsorship over the last decade or more and can't work out why they are left with a dogs dinner of a product? I fear that they've missed the boat and the yearly race to the lowest common denominator has almost been won, meaning that the lower standard is all they can afford, just! Unless we try we won't know ...The one thing that is certain the crowds have dropped as the standard has so if we just keep doing that year after year it will kill the sport off very slowly . Time for people in the sport to be brave . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) Unless we try we won't know ...The one thing that is certain the crowds have dropped as the standard has so if we just keep doing that year after year it will kill the sport off very slowly . Time for people in the sport to be brave . You know how they work though and you're a bright guy; so if the two bets were 1) A brave new world that'll cost a lot and is a massive gamble, or 2) We've been there but bust it so let's see where it bottoms out, at least that's cheap! Then where would your money be? I'd say scaring off Frost and Sandhu tells us how brave they are and which direction they prefer? Edited July 31, 2014 by Crump99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelle Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Yes - but if you are talking about ALL Speedway in this Country - the Elite League is the minority League. They cannot be allowed to dictate everything. The Elite league should ride on one night..Wed would be ideal...the Prem and National can run on the other 6. The Elite league should ride on one night..Wed would be ideal...the Prem and National can run on the other 6. It would also aid riders who double up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 The Elite league should ride on one night..Wed would be ideal...the Prem and National can run on the other 6. It would also aid riders who double up. So what would you do if your number One rider is injured as there would be no other riders available to take his place , as they would all be racing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) supporters can all be in agreement, but if a club doesn't own the stadium it's not up to them is it The quoted post was the third post on the thread. It had 14 "likes" . Post No 4 was an almost identical post by Frigbo and that had another 13 "likes", so a lot of people clearly thought they were sensible posts. 18 pages of pie-in-the sky ideas later and nobody has yet been able to deal with the fundamental point that stevehone makes. If stadium owners don't go along with the idea the whole thing falls flat. Plus the fact that fixed costs of running the stadium will be the same whether they run a speedway meeting or not so if there are then less meetings there will be less income from rent so unless the rent per meeting goes up speedway becomes an even less attractive source of income. Then there is the point that Mick the muppet mentioned that if it was all on the same night what happens if your number one is injured and you can't get a guest because everyone else is racing that night ? If people are going to say we need a squad system where is the money for that coming from ? Increased admission charges ? Or do we assume that a single race night will bring in such an increase in crowds that there will somehow be enough money to pay for a 10 man squad ? The idea of a single race night might be alright in theory but these fundamental things have to be addressed first. Go back to posts 3 and 4 from stevehone and Frogbo and tell me why they are wrong because at the moment I can't see it. Edited July 31, 2014 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Why ? yet another average meeting bigged up to be one of the greatest meetings of all time because it was in the PL .The fact that the crowd looked up 250 shows that people do want watch top riders no matter what the racing is like . You sir (or madam) are clueless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 You sir (or madam) are clueless. What part is clueless ? the meeting was average ( it was ) the crowd was poor( it was) not lot of people watch Pl matches( that's true ) and people like watching top riders yet again true . We all know that any pl match will be bigged up to better than it is and the El visa versa that is cast in stone now .. look forward to your return 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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