cyclone Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Not for the first time, AF, you have said it for me. Its a case that a fan should not get the feeling that he is being ripped off and there is far too much of that with crap tracks, lousy food, sub-standard presentation, stinking toilets - the list is endless. I'd say the difference between a wrapround and an insert is one is inside the old programme, the other is outside. To be fair, its not just Edinburgh, they all do it and indeed the wrapround last night was better than most. AF is right, though. Its about not leaving the fan with the opinion that he is being cheated. Giving them a few pieces of paper with a programme way out (or even a fortnight out) of date at full price is a rip off. Why not say that the programme is an old one with an insert before people buy it? Then again, we both know why. I have been told that programmes cost twice as much to buy as to print and your costing above is pretty consistent with that. Why not just charge the cost price for the programme and insert - say £1.50 ? Then there's no loss to the promotion and the fan would realise that he was getting a discount because it was out of date. As is my norm, apart from entering the score chart, I actually get round to fully reading the full programme when I get home. tbh, I wonder if you have actually got round to reading the 8 page wrapround, together with the included postponed programme ? Now, the wraparound is advert free, contains a two page preview of worky, 4 match reports with 13 colour photos, plus the Co Promoter's comment column and a superb artwork front page. The re-issue of the previous postponed 24 page match programme, also supplements the news articles that occurred during that period. Can you honestly describe the above as a rip-off ? I certainly cannot, but given your affection for Yorkshire, maybe the reputation for being "Scotsmen with their generosity wringed out out" explains your reaction Edited July 19, 2014 by cyclone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) As is my norm, apart from entering the score chart, I actually get round to fully reading the full programme when I get home. tbh, I wonder if you have actually got round to reading the 8 page wrapround, together with the included postponed programme ? Now, the wraparound is advert free, contains a two page preview of worky, 4 match reports with 13 colour photos, plus the Co Promoter's comment column and a superb artwork front page. The re-issue of the previous postponed 24 page match programme, also supplements the news articles that occurred during that period. Can you honestly describe the above as a rip-off ? I certainly cannot, but given your affection for Yorkshire, maybe the reputation for being "Scotsmen with their generosity wringed out out" explains your reaction Yes I can. Why not just hand out the wraparound and charge people £1 and those who wish to buy something a fortnight out of date could buy it from the track shop for £1.50 ? That's the point here. You might be quite happy to read about old Edinburgh news, I'm not. I'd like to have read what had happened in the preceding week, not what happened three weeks before hand. Problem was, I only found out what I was getting after I handed my £2.50 over. I'll tell the track shop to stock up with Speedy Stars from a fortnight ago, and your local newsagent with newspapers from the same time. No doubt you'd be happy to pay full price for those too if they had a small bit added to them Edited July 19, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Wow, you can definitely tell when the meeting you've watched was poor when the biggest talking point on the thread is the VFM you got for the programme!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Because programme sales every week are a chance for promoters to reduce the loss they will undoubtedly suffer on their overall weekly balance sheet. I'm not going to plod through again why I thought the programme plus wrapround was, relatively speaking, reasonable value. Every concession, price reduction, readmission, will increase the loss made. It's about getting the balance right. Of course no promoter wants the public to feel ripped off, that's not good business, but if promoters are rip-off merchants then they are highly unsuccessful and impoverished ones. It wasn't reasonable value. As I say, just have the wrapround out for a £1 and let those who want to buy the old programme for £1.50 do so separately. The thing is no-one would want it, would they ? I very much take your point about concessions, losses etc - you're right. But had they charged £1 for the wrapround or £1.50 for the lot I'd have been on here giving them the credit they would deserve. Part of the reason why speedway is in the difficulties that it is is because of false economies, cutting corners and not doing everything possible to ensure that fans are getting value for money. This is a minor issue when compared with some, but its an example of how promotions take the good will of the speedway fan for granted. Edited July 19, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 i agree with the above post by halifaxtiger speedway promotors take the fans for granted and dont really promote the sport as such they just run it speedway is dying on its feet in britan ive been watching the sweedish league on eurosport on tuesday nights why cant british elite league be as exciting as that proberbly main reason is the points limit is too low and they have now brought in 2 national league riders at reserve to keep costs down now briniging in the kids will be a good thing for some of them as it will give them a great chance to improve but it weakens the overall product Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 I think I have been hit by some kind of curse. I got an insert at Glasgow yesterday and another at Belle Vue tonight - the latter programme being three months old and neither anywhere near as good as the Edinburgh wrapround ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) How could anyone possibly justify writing off £400+, especially for an arguably better product? You might be a richer man than I if you can afford to pour that down the drain. I think had you been at Armadale last night, you would realise it's the opposite up here. Not many clubs would put on theme nights to try and make the evening a bit more special for fans. It is certainly never the case that the Promoters at Edinburgh would be looking to intentionally rip off any fans. In my opinion, which I'm entitled to, it's people like you which do the sport no favours. sorry just seen this.... So people like me who put money into many different clubs I go to across the season do the sport no favours??.... I was talking about speedway in general, if you are promoting a product then value the paying customer.., is that too much to ask?? Speedway IN GENERAL and in my experience does not do this..In my opinion and I'm entitled to it, it people like you who do the sport no favours, happy to dance to any tune the speedway fraternity asks. As for ripping people off, maybe if they told people it was a 2 week old programme with inserts, no matter how good or colourful? Yet charging the same price, then nobody would feel ripped off...?? Edited July 21, 2014 by Arson fire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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